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Gordon Carrera

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

Yeah, that's his only hope, yeah.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

I mean, some of the bits are bizarre because he tells journalists who approach him that it's been a mistake.

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There must be an Alfredo Scappaticci who's got confused with him, Federico Scappaticci.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

And he also goes to see the IRA leadership.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

Now, we have to remember, from 1998, there's been a Good Friday Agreement.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

So there is a peace process now.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

So the war has effectively stopped.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

But everyone in the IRA appears to be in shock because they worry that they've been penetrated by their enemy.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

But I think for them, again, it goes back to this point.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

It's really hard to admit it's true, isn't it?

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

And to kind of acknowledge that it's scappatici.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

Better for them as well to deny it.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

Well, that's the problem.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

It's basically sources...

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

from Frew and other places suggesting that it was him, but that's not documentary evidence or confirmation.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

The agreement he has, including with the IRA, is that they're just going to deny it.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

The Sinn Fein leader, Gerry Adams, puts out a statement saying people who say he's an agent are being played by British intelligence.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

You know, 12th of May, Scappaticci goes to speak to the Anderson Town News and he says, according to the press, I'm guilty of 40 murders.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

But I'm telling you this now, after this is settled, I want to meet the families of the people that they say I murdered.

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152. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: Unmasking the Traitor (Ep 4)

And when I do, I will stand in front of them and say, I didn't do it.