Gordon Carrera

And also, Rising Lion, it's a bit like Aslan from the Narnia stories.

Anyway, it's an Israeli operation which does kill a lot of scientists.

capability, but yes.

An option.

Was shortening.

I always just think, so this is also, and we'll come back to this when we do Iraq WMD, is I'm slightly scarred by the number of times I've heard officials talk about how close a country is to a bomb.

by using how much enriched uranium they might have or how much material they might have or how long theoretically they might have to get it because it is often used deliberately as a means to kind of justify action or to try and persuade the public.

And I just think

it's always worth a little bit of caution when people tell you how close they were to a bomb or that this was enough material for this many bombs because it is very different to have some enriched uranium to being able to and you know we've talked about this to being able to have a bomb to then even being able to have a deliverable bomb to testing a bomb without getting attacked but we know while you do that to having a deterrent capability with a bomb there's a distance there and i just think it's always worth keeping that in mind but anyway i think we i think we do agree yeah

Which is where we've got to actually now, because that is in a way where the debate is focused on.

But yeah, I mean, we got to Midnight Hammer, haven't we?

June 2025, in which, as you said, the Israelis start the campaign, but then the US follows through by deciding this is the moment to target Israel.

these nuclear sites.

This is always what Israel had wanted and needed because it's only the US which has what are called the massive ordnance penetrators, the GBU-57 bombs, which can get into those buried, hardened nuclear facilities which the Iranians have been protecting.

At the end of Star Wars.

Where Luke has to be guided in.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Some people have done some kind of satellite imagery where they think they're spotting the type of canisters and we'll come back to them where you would keep that kind of material being taken to that site by the Iranians just ahead of the attack.

So Isfahan, even though it's not one of the kind of main production facilities, is thought to be where that highly enriched...