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Gordon Carrera

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

It's a kind of test for him to show whether he's going to be able to cooperate.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

But the expectation is that he'll fail.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

And then that will build support.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

The hawks in Washington, as you said, Dick Cheney and the like, see these inspections as a mistake.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

They're going to divert the US away from the war they just want to get on with.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

And the idea is that then when Saddam frustrates the inspectors or they find something, then there'll potentially be a new UN resolution authorizing action against Saddam, which everyone can get behind and everything's going to be fine.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

That's the idea.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

Spoiler alert, it's not going to work out that way.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

How do you come clean to something you don't have?

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

And so I think it's worth going back to Saddam, isn't it?

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

Because I think that's what's so interesting is Saddam as a character in this story because...

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

As we get to the end of 2002, Saddam is going to decide, well, I'm going to let the inspectors back in.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

He's been told by France and Russia that, you know, that's what he should do.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

And he kind of listens to them.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

And then again, we get one of these meetings.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

I love these meetings of Saddam's Revolutionary Command Council, you know, where he gathers all his top aides.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

And this one is a corker because this one, he gathers his top aides and he says, guys, there is no WMD.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

Yeah.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

And it sounds like some of his generals are actually stunned by this because they'd always thought, well, he's, you know, I don't know about the WMD, but someone else, you know, he's definitely got some hidden somewhere.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

And so it's this kind of weird thing where he's now telling his generals like, yeah, we got nothing.