Gordon Carrera

And he says, you know, if anyone's got anything, any little bits of leftover stuff, destroy it, give it up.

We don't want them to find something themselves.

Yeah.

And he says, like, right, we've got to declare everything.

And so they're going to do this declaration, which is going to come in December, which is part of the UN resolution.

Jafar, this nuclear scientist who I met, is one of the people working on this declaration.

And he is trying to own up to everything.

And they're going to send it to the UN.

And of course, London and Washington go, well, there's nothing new in this.

They're not admitting to anything.

Yeah, they're not admitting to anything.

It's so funny because Jafar is kind of tearing his hair out because he's like, we keep trying to tell people.

He's actually been to New York, Jafar, in April 2002 to meet-

Hans Blix, Mohamed El Baradai.

And he has to be calmed down by the other aides because he's so angry that they won't believe him when he's saying we've got nothing.

Although I also think part of the reason Jafar is so angry is that he's getting pitched at every stage along the way.

by CIA officers on the plane out of, you know, out of the Middle East heading towards New York.

An American comes and sits next to him in the seat and is like, Mr. Jafar, would you like to tell us about the WMD?

And he's like, no, I'm going to the UN to tell them we don't have anything.

And then at the airport, he gets detained and he gets, you know, questioned again.