Gordon Carrera

But I think this misunderstands it because the Iraqi is saying in private exactly what Saddam is saying in public.

Which is, we don't have the stuff.

And everyone goes, well, they're just saying what we expect them to say.

Of course they're saying they don't have the stuff.

But we know that they've got it.

That's the problem all along.

There's nothing that Saddam can say or do at this point which is going to convince people that he doesn't have something that they think he has.

Yeah, they're not hiding secret documents.

And this is also, I think, interesting because having covered it at the time, I've spoken to a lot of these inspectors since.

It was becoming clear to them there was nothing there because they were going to all of these places

that British and American intelligence said were potential weapon sites where the intelligence had suggested there might be mobile labs or something else, and they were finding nothing.

And so they can see this is falling apart, but that's not really being made public.

The public don't know that, that actually this carefully constructed case is already falling apart.

I mean, one inspector talks about turning up at one site.

It's supposed to be a mobile biological lab, and it's basically an ice cream van covered in cobwebs.

I mean, this is the scale of it.

And the places where Curveball was saying these are where they're developing this stuff, it just doesn't fit.

Hans Blix is going back to the UK saying, thanks for all this intelligence, but it doesn't work.

And then Tony Blair is going to his spooks.

Well, Hans Blix is saying this stuff isn't good.