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Gordon Carrera

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

Are we?

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

I'm less shocked.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

I think you're right in that it's the kind of thing that they do, which we don't always know about.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

But it is that thing, which is if you really oppose the policy and a part of it, I think your best option is to resign.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

Now, leaking, going public, that's a

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

Obviously, different thing, but I think it's interesting because it does give a sense though about how divisive this was at the time, including even within an intelligence agency like GCHQ, that someone felt that they were outraged by this and had to act.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

But it's not going to stop the march for war.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

You're getting these reports from the UN inspectors, including one from Alvarade saying the uranium from Africa claims are fake.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

But in a way, it doesn't matter anymore because the train's leaving the station for war.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

The effort to get a second resolution fails because the French say they won't support it.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

Blair, meanwhile, is facing this vote in Parliament on March the 18th.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

This is another big moment for him because the US has woken up to the idea.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

Congress has already authorised war back in October, but this is Blair's vote and it's coming on the eve of war.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

And there's worry he might have to resign.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

And he has a call with President Bush just before the vote in which Bush says, I want regime change in Baghdad, not London.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

This was supposed to be getting rid of Saddam, not Tony Blair, because he's worried that Blair will lose this vote in parliament and have to resign.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

And he actually makes a really interesting offer, which is he says, you don't have to take part in the war.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

You do not have to take part in the invasion.

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158. The Road to Iraq:  George Bush's Unstoppable War (Ep 6)

You can just do the reconstruction afterwards.