Gordon Carrera

It was becoming clear to them there was nothing there because they were going to all of these places

that British and American intelligence said were potential weapon sites where the intelligence had suggested there might be mobile labs or something else, and they were finding nothing.

And so they can see this is falling apart, but that's not really being made public.

The public don't know that, that actually this carefully constructed case is already falling apart.

I mean, one inspector talks about turning up at one site.

It's supposed to be a mobile biological lab, and it's basically an ice cream van covered in cobwebs.

I mean, this is the scale of it.

And the places where Curveball was saying these are where they're developing this stuff, it just doesn't fit.

Hans Blix is going back to the UK saying, thanks for all this intelligence, but it doesn't work.

And then Tony Blair is going to his spooks.

Well, Hans Blix is saying this stuff isn't good.

Where is the good stuff?

Where is the intelligence you told me that existed about WMD?

And he's pushing that.

MI6 Harden.

There's a really interesting meeting, January the 9th, 2003.

Tony Blair meets Richard Dearlove, chief of MI6, who of course is going to be in an episode for our club members, a bonus episode.

Tony Blair asks about the chances of finding a silver bullet, something to prove Saddam has the weapons, which will help turn international opinion and support for the war

That's clearly coming.

And Dearlove is kind of saying, well, we're still looking for something.