Gordon Corera

You've got to make sure this story is bottomed out and you're not going to kind of screw up or make a mistake. So the pressure is really growing at this point as they work on that first story. But in New York, you know, Janine Gibson, who's the US editor, has basically decided this is good. We're going to do it. But we've got to go through the right steps in order to get this story out.

You've got to make sure this story is bottomed out and you're not going to kind of screw up or make a mistake. So the pressure is really growing at this point as they work on that first story. But in New York, you know, Janine Gibson, who's the US editor, has basically decided this is good. We're going to do it. But we've got to go through the right steps in order to get this story out.

You've got to make sure this story is bottomed out and you're not going to kind of screw up or make a mistake. So the pressure is really growing at this point as they work on that first story. But in New York, you know, Janine Gibson, who's the US editor, has basically decided this is good. We're going to do it. But we've got to go through the right steps in order to get this story out.

And this is also really interesting because the Guardian try and contact the US government and the White House to say, we've got a big story coming. And of course, they're not at this point saying what it is. They're just saying, you need to talk to us. It's a really big story. And so the government doesn't seem to realize at first it's important, but eventually...

And this is also really interesting because the Guardian try and contact the US government and the White House to say, we've got a big story coming. And of course, they're not at this point saying what it is. They're just saying, you need to talk to us. It's a really big story. And so the government doesn't seem to realize at first it's important, but eventually...

And this is also really interesting because the Guardian try and contact the US government and the White House to say, we've got a big story coming. And of course, they're not at this point saying what it is. They're just saying, you need to talk to us. It's a really big story. And so the government doesn't seem to realize at first it's important, but eventually...

They get back to the Guardian in a call and they ask for a delay. And they say, can you delay putting this first story out? And it's worked in the past because with US publications, they'd often agree to a bit of a delay and, you know, a nice conversation. But the Guardian and Jeanine Gibson kind of hold firm and go, we want to run this story.

They get back to the Guardian in a call and they ask for a delay. And they say, can you delay putting this first story out? And it's worked in the past because with US publications, they'd often agree to a bit of a delay and, you know, a nice conversation. But the Guardian and Jeanine Gibson kind of hold firm and go, we want to run this story.

They get back to the Guardian in a call and they ask for a delay. And they say, can you delay putting this first story out? And it's worked in the past because with US publications, they'd often agree to a bit of a delay and, you know, a nice conversation. But the Guardian and Jeanine Gibson kind of hold firm and go, we want to run this story.

And, you know, we're coming to you for comment, but we're going soon. But it's interesting as well, because you get a call, which has got the deputy head of the NSA, senior FBI officials. And I think one of the things that tells you is this is a real story. It's a big story. This is a big story. You're not getting fobbed off with the press officer going, ah, you know, we'll give you a quick line.

And, you know, we're coming to you for comment, but we're going soon. But it's interesting as well, because you get a call, which has got the deputy head of the NSA, senior FBI officials. And I think one of the things that tells you is this is a real story. It's a big story. This is a big story. You're not getting fobbed off with the press officer going, ah, you know, we'll give you a quick line.

And, you know, we're coming to you for comment, but we're going soon. But it's interesting as well, because you get a call, which has got the deputy head of the NSA, senior FBI officials. And I think one of the things that tells you is this is a real story. It's a big story. This is a big story. You're not getting fobbed off with the press officer going, ah, you know, we'll give you a quick line.

So at this point, the pressure has been building and the Guardian want to get the story out. But Greenwald and particularly Snowden are desperately pushing and the government is pushing back on the Guardian to kind of go with it. And at this point, they get ready to publish.

So at this point, the pressure has been building and the Guardian want to get the story out. But Greenwald and particularly Snowden are desperately pushing and the government is pushing back on the Guardian to kind of go with it. And at this point, they get ready to publish.

So at this point, the pressure has been building and the Guardian want to get the story out. But Greenwald and particularly Snowden are desperately pushing and the government is pushing back on the Guardian to kind of go with it. And at this point, they get ready to publish.

And that's right. And it's a really interesting little detail that the police or officials go and see his girlfriend in Hawaii. And this is before it seems the stuff has been published. And it is interesting because does it suggest they're onto him in some way? Have they got some parallel track where they know that something's going on with him?

And that's right. And it's a really interesting little detail that the police or officials go and see his girlfriend in Hawaii. And this is before it seems the stuff has been published. And it is interesting because does it suggest they're onto him in some way? Have they got some parallel track where they know that something's going on with him?

And that's right. And it's a really interesting little detail that the police or officials go and see his girlfriend in Hawaii. And this is before it seems the stuff has been published. And it is interesting because does it suggest they're onto him in some way? Have they got some parallel track where they know that something's going on with him?

Or is it just that he's been missing for work for so long? But it seems a little bit odd because some of the timelines don't quite match up here, I have to say, with that visit to his girlfriend. But clearly someone is suspicious about him. So, yeah, he knows the net is closing.

Or is it just that he's been missing for work for so long? But it seems a little bit odd because some of the timelines don't quite match up here, I have to say, with that visit to his girlfriend. But clearly someone is suspicious about him. So, yeah, he knows the net is closing.