Gordon Corera

So I think all of that makes him realise he is committed to doing this. He wants to see it through, knowing the risks.

So I think all of that makes him realise he is committed to doing this. He wants to see it through, knowing the risks.

And now in these kind of subsequent days, there is a lot of tension in this room. I think it's really, really interesting. I mean, every day... They leave him thinking when they come back the next day, he's going to have been snatched or have disappeared or something will have happened to him. And he is saying he's finally got them out there. You know, we know he's been waiting for this.

And now in these kind of subsequent days, there is a lot of tension in this room. I think it's really, really interesting. I mean, every day... They leave him thinking when they come back the next day, he's going to have been snatched or have disappeared or something will have happened to him. And he is saying he's finally got them out there. You know, we know he's been waiting for this.

And now in these kind of subsequent days, there is a lot of tension in this room. I think it's really, really interesting. I mean, every day... They leave him thinking when they come back the next day, he's going to have been snatched or have disappeared or something will have happened to him. And he is saying he's finally got them out there. You know, we know he's been waiting for this.

He wants to get this story out. He knows the clock is ticking on the fact that he kind of signed off work ill and, you know, in Hawaii. And at some point that's going to get noticed. He's been away for a couple of weeks now. And he's fearing that at any point he could get picked up. Nothing will get released. Everyone will get arrested and it'll all be for nothing. And he hopes...

He wants to get this story out. He knows the clock is ticking on the fact that he kind of signed off work ill and, you know, in Hawaii. And at some point that's going to get noticed. He's been away for a couple of weeks now. And he's fearing that at any point he could get picked up. Nothing will get released. Everyone will get arrested and it'll all be for nothing. And he hopes...

He wants to get this story out. He knows the clock is ticking on the fact that he kind of signed off work ill and, you know, in Hawaii. And at some point that's going to get noticed. He's been away for a couple of weeks now. And he's fearing that at any point he could get picked up. Nothing will get released. Everyone will get arrested and it'll all be for nothing. And he hopes...

Back to that idea, he hopes that going public will give him some protection. So this is the most vulnerable phase for him because, you know, he is out with the secrets, but he's not yet public. So he wants this to move fast. Meanwhile, the journalists are also trying to work out, well, we need to kind of assess this stuff. We need to write the stories.

Back to that idea, he hopes that going public will give him some protection. So this is the most vulnerable phase for him because, you know, he is out with the secrets, but he's not yet public. So he wants this to move fast. Meanwhile, the journalists are also trying to work out, well, we need to kind of assess this stuff. We need to write the stories.

Back to that idea, he hopes that going public will give him some protection. So this is the most vulnerable phase for him because, you know, he is out with the secrets, but he's not yet public. So he wants this to move fast. Meanwhile, the journalists are also trying to work out, well, we need to kind of assess this stuff. We need to write the stories.

In the room, yeah. And they're also working across kind of three time zones, you know, London, Guardian, you know, where the boss, Anna Rusper, who's the big editor is, New York, where it's going to be edited out of, and then Hong Kong. So no one's really sleeping much. You've also got this slight tension because Glenn Greenwald also wants to publish the stories as soon as possible.

In the room, yeah. And they're also working across kind of three time zones, you know, London, Guardian, you know, where the boss, Anna Rusper, who's the big editor is, New York, where it's going to be edited out of, and then Hong Kong. So no one's really sleeping much. You've also got this slight tension because Glenn Greenwald also wants to publish the stories as soon as possible.

In the room, yeah. And they're also working across kind of three time zones, you know, London, Guardian, you know, where the boss, Anna Rusper, who's the big editor is, New York, where it's going to be edited out of, and then Hong Kong. So no one's really sleeping much. You've also got this slight tension because Glenn Greenwald also wants to publish the stories as soon as possible.

One of the things he fears is being scooped because he knows the Washington Post also have got some of this through those previous contacts. And he's worried that, you know, the Guardian might go slow, they might not do it. So actually, at some point, he starts saying...

One of the things he fears is being scooped because he knows the Washington Post also have got some of this through those previous contacts. And he's worried that, you know, the Guardian might go slow, they might not do it. So actually, at some point, he starts saying...

One of the things he fears is being scooped because he knows the Washington Post also have got some of this through those previous contacts. And he's worried that, you know, the Guardian might go slow, they might not do it. So actually, at some point, he starts saying...

And reaching out to other media saying, I've got a story for you and basically using that to put pressure on The Guardian and saying, if The Guardian back away, I'm going to go somewhere else with this story because I think it's so good. So the stakes are pretty high because also if you're The Guardian, you want to get this right.

And reaching out to other media saying, I've got a story for you and basically using that to put pressure on The Guardian and saying, if The Guardian back away, I'm going to go somewhere else with this story because I think it's so good. So the stakes are pretty high because also if you're The Guardian, you want to get this right.

And reaching out to other media saying, I've got a story for you and basically using that to put pressure on The Guardian and saying, if The Guardian back away, I'm going to go somewhere else with this story because I think it's so good. So the stakes are pretty high because also if you're The Guardian, you want to get this right.