Gordon Corera

Now, it is at this point in 2012... that he's going to turn into someone who is not just kind of aggrieved and chafing against authority, but who is actually going to collect and steal a ton of secrets. His narrative of it is that he'd seen what the secret state was up to. He'd seen the kind of power of the surveillance state. He'd been able to look at these documents and he wants to stop it.

Now, it is at this point in 2012... that he's going to turn into someone who is not just kind of aggrieved and chafing against authority, but who is actually going to collect and steal a ton of secrets. His narrative of it is that he'd seen what the secret state was up to. He'd seen the kind of power of the surveillance state. He'd been able to look at these documents and he wants to stop it.

Now, it is at this point in 2012... that he's going to turn into someone who is not just kind of aggrieved and chafing against authority, but who is actually going to collect and steal a ton of secrets. His narrative of it is that he'd seen what the secret state was up to. He'd seen the kind of power of the surveillance state. He'd been able to look at these documents and he wants to stop it.

So I think this is the kind of interesting point where, you know, how far is this

So I think this is the kind of interesting point where, you know, how far is this

So I think this is the kind of interesting point where, you know, how far is this

being like a whistleblower and how far is this being someone who is trying to kind of damage the state or stealing documents you know two quite different interpretations of the same actions he says he's kind of chasing you know look going down rabbit holes in his spare time trying to kind of understand what the secret state is up to and he wants to stop that because he believes

being like a whistleblower and how far is this being someone who is trying to kind of damage the state or stealing documents you know two quite different interpretations of the same actions he says he's kind of chasing you know look going down rabbit holes in his spare time trying to kind of understand what the secret state is up to and he wants to stop that because he believes

being like a whistleblower and how far is this being someone who is trying to kind of damage the state or stealing documents you know two quite different interpretations of the same actions he says he's kind of chasing you know look going down rabbit holes in his spare time trying to kind of understand what the secret state is up to and he wants to stop that because he believes

It's against the Constitution in terms of the collection of Americans' data. And he believes it's unethical and against his ideas of the free internet. Do you buy that, David? I'm guessing you don't.

It's against the Constitution in terms of the collection of Americans' data. And he believes it's unethical and against his ideas of the free internet. Do you buy that, David? I'm guessing you don't.

It's against the Constitution in terms of the collection of Americans' data. And he believes it's unethical and against his ideas of the free internet. Do you buy that, David? I'm guessing you don't.

Yeah, a kind of reading list. Yeah. A reading list of documents. And it's quite interesting because he does this kind of semi-openly. At this point, he's kind of telling people he's creating this and he's got access to all the systems because he's a systems engineer. And in a sense, those people...

Yeah, a kind of reading list. Yeah. A reading list of documents. And it's quite interesting because he does this kind of semi-openly. At this point, he's kind of telling people he's creating this and he's got access to all the systems because he's a systems engineer. And in a sense, those people...

Yeah, a kind of reading list. Yeah. A reading list of documents. And it's quite interesting because he does this kind of semi-openly. At this point, he's kind of telling people he's creating this and he's got access to all the systems because he's a systems engineer. And in a sense, those people...

who keep the systems running, by definition, have privileged high-level access to all the files because they need to in order to be able to manage them. So it does mean he is able to do stuff which maybe a normal spy wouldn't have been able to do in terms of collect and collate all the data that's here. And so, yeah, he starts to collect this material.

who keep the systems running, by definition, have privileged high-level access to all the files because they need to in order to be able to manage them. So it does mean he is able to do stuff which maybe a normal spy wouldn't have been able to do in terms of collect and collate all the data that's here. And so, yeah, he starts to collect this material.

who keep the systems running, by definition, have privileged high-level access to all the files because they need to in order to be able to manage them. So it does mean he is able to do stuff which maybe a normal spy wouldn't have been able to do in terms of collect and collate all the data that's here. And so, yeah, he starts to collect this material.

It's an interesting point to look at here is, is he a whistleblower? Because I think that is how... he is framed very much by his supporters, that he is someone who has seen the bad stuff in the secret state and he wants to expose it and therefore he's a whistleblower. Being a whistleblower is obviously something which also gets you certain kinds of protections.

It's an interesting point to look at here is, is he a whistleblower? Because I think that is how... he is framed very much by his supporters, that he is someone who has seen the bad stuff in the secret state and he wants to expose it and therefore he's a whistleblower. Being a whistleblower is obviously something which also gets you certain kinds of protections.