Gordon Corera

And then what he does is he kind of peels off the square on the Rubik's Cube, and he hides the SD cards underneath so that he can just carry them past the armed guards who were there at the door. There's a fair bit of security there. There's armed guards. You've got to scan your badges. There's those kind of airlocked security doors you've got to swipe through.

And then what he does is he kind of peels off the square on the Rubik's Cube, and he hides the SD cards underneath so that he can just carry them past the armed guards who were there at the door. There's a fair bit of security there. There's armed guards. You've got to scan your badges. There's those kind of airlocked security doors you've got to swipe through.

And then what he does is he kind of peels off the square on the Rubik's Cube, and he hides the SD cards underneath so that he can just carry them past the armed guards who were there at the door. There's a fair bit of security there. There's armed guards. You've got to scan your badges. There's those kind of airlocked security doors you've got to swipe through.

But he's able to get this data out, I guess. He understands the system. That's the point.

But he's able to get this data out, I guess. He understands the system. That's the point.

But he's able to get this data out, I guess. He understands the system. That's the point.

People in Britain have done it and they've left them on trains and, you know, made mistakes about it. He takes them home and then he transfers them onto a kind of large storage device and encrypts them. He puts a hood over his head in case there's a camera in his house, you know, classic spy stuff.

People in Britain have done it and they've left them on trains and, you know, made mistakes about it. He takes them home and then he transfers them onto a kind of large storage device and encrypts them. He puts a hood over his head in case there's a camera in his house, you know, classic spy stuff.

People in Britain have done it and they've left them on trains and, you know, made mistakes about it. He takes them home and then he transfers them onto a kind of large storage device and encrypts them. He puts a hood over his head in case there's a camera in his house, you know, classic spy stuff.

Now, what's so interesting is it's not entirely clear how many documents he's able to take, but some accounts are up to 1.5 million. I mean, there are different accounts. There's the smaller figures. But it's astonishing how much. And I guess this is also the reality of the digital world.

Now, what's so interesting is it's not entirely clear how many documents he's able to take, but some accounts are up to 1.5 million. I mean, there are different accounts. There's the smaller figures. But it's astonishing how much. And I guess this is also the reality of the digital world.

Now, what's so interesting is it's not entirely clear how many documents he's able to take, but some accounts are up to 1.5 million. I mean, there are different accounts. There's the smaller figures. But it's astonishing how much. And I guess this is also the reality of the digital world.

Because 50 years ago or 30 years ago, these documents would have been on paper, basically, rather than electronic. You were not going to carry 1.5 million documents out of a secret facility and then hide them in your room at home. Whereas he can do it and stick them on a hard drive. And that has changed dramatically.

Because 50 years ago or 30 years ago, these documents would have been on paper, basically, rather than electronic. You were not going to carry 1.5 million documents out of a secret facility and then hide them in your room at home. Whereas he can do it and stick them on a hard drive. And that has changed dramatically.

Because 50 years ago or 30 years ago, these documents would have been on paper, basically, rather than electronic. You were not going to carry 1.5 million documents out of a secret facility and then hide them in your room at home. Whereas he can do it and stick them on a hard drive. And that has changed dramatically.

you know, intelligence, it's changed security, it's changed what people call the insider threat, it's changed what you can do with spying and stealing secrets now, even though Edward Snowden, as we said, is not a spy, because of the ability to kind of collect large amounts of information in a tiny place.

you know, intelligence, it's changed security, it's changed what people call the insider threat, it's changed what you can do with spying and stealing secrets now, even though Edward Snowden, as we said, is not a spy, because of the ability to kind of collect large amounts of information in a tiny place.

you know, intelligence, it's changed security, it's changed what people call the insider threat, it's changed what you can do with spying and stealing secrets now, even though Edward Snowden, as we said, is not a spy, because of the ability to kind of collect large amounts of information in a tiny place.

Okay, go for it.

Okay, go for it.