Gordon Corera

Okay, go for it.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

And their files have been downloaded.

And their files have been downloaded.

And their files have been downloaded.

So totally indiscriminate. Your point about indiscriminate is taken in terms of what he takes. But here's the interesting thing. The question is, what is he going to do with them? That is the big question for him. He's not indiscriminate in what he wants to do with them. And I think this is important.

So totally indiscriminate. Your point about indiscriminate is taken in terms of what he takes. But here's the interesting thing. The question is, what is he going to do with them? That is the big question for him. He's not indiscriminate in what he wants to do with them. And I think this is important.

So totally indiscriminate. Your point about indiscriminate is taken in terms of what he takes. But here's the interesting thing. The question is, what is he going to do with them? That is the big question for him. He's not indiscriminate in what he wants to do with them. And I think this is important.

Because one option for him, if he'd simply wanted to do as much damage as possible, if that had been his motivation, he could have self-published onto the internet these files. That's true. And, you know, that is, if you like, the WikiLeaks option. And we should say WikiLeaks, Julian Assange had really just emerged in, I think, 2010.

Because one option for him, if he'd simply wanted to do as much damage as possible, if that had been his motivation, he could have self-published onto the internet these files. That's true. And, you know, that is, if you like, the WikiLeaks option. And we should say WikiLeaks, Julian Assange had really just emerged in, I think, 2010.

Because one option for him, if he'd simply wanted to do as much damage as possible, if that had been his motivation, he could have self-published onto the internet these files. That's true. And, you know, that is, if you like, the WikiLeaks option. And we should say WikiLeaks, Julian Assange had really just emerged in, I think, 2010.

I mean, a few years before, but particularly at that time, there'd been this huge leak of diplomatic cables, which were kind of State Department cables, which WikiLeaks had got hold of, and they just put them out on the internet. And the WikiLeaks Julian Assange attitude was information must be free. You know, it doesn't matter. Classification doesn't matter. Risk. Just put it all out there.

I mean, a few years before, but particularly at that time, there'd been this huge leak of diplomatic cables, which were kind of State Department cables, which WikiLeaks had got hold of, and they just put them out on the internet. And the WikiLeaks Julian Assange attitude was information must be free. You know, it doesn't matter. Classification doesn't matter. Risk. Just put it all out there.

I mean, a few years before, but particularly at that time, there'd been this huge leak of diplomatic cables, which were kind of State Department cables, which WikiLeaks had got hold of, and they just put them out on the internet. And the WikiLeaks Julian Assange attitude was information must be free. You know, it doesn't matter. Classification doesn't matter. Risk. Just put it all out there.

You know, that's what it's for. Now, at this point, if... Snowden had been seeking maximum damage, he could have given them to WikiLeaks or he could have put themselves onto the internet. And he was capable of doing that. And he does not want to do that. So I think that goes back to this point where the complexity of his motives, it's not as simple as just wanting to do damage.

You know, that's what it's for. Now, at this point, if... Snowden had been seeking maximum damage, he could have given them to WikiLeaks or he could have put themselves onto the internet. And he was capable of doing that. And he does not want to do that. So I think that goes back to this point where the complexity of his motives, it's not as simple as just wanting to do damage.

You know, that's what it's for. Now, at this point, if... Snowden had been seeking maximum damage, he could have given them to WikiLeaks or he could have put themselves onto the internet. And he was capable of doing that. And he does not want to do that. So I think that goes back to this point where the complexity of his motives, it's not as simple as just wanting to do damage.

He says he wants people who can, if you like, work through the documents, validate them, explain them and publicize them. That's what he wants to do rather than just take indiscriminately and publish them.