Gordon Corera

She's having her devices seized and confiscated. And so she's learning about encryption and the need to protect her stuff.

She's having her devices seized and confiscated. And so she's learning about encryption and the need to protect her stuff.

She's having her devices seized and confiscated. And so she's learning about encryption and the need to protect her stuff.

And she's based in Berlin.

And she's based in Berlin.

And she's based in Berlin.

Are outside the States. Yeah, that's right. Greenwald in Rio. Even though they're Americans. Yeah. She starts to get these emails every week from Snowden, normally at the weekends. And it's interesting. At one point, she writes, I don't know if you are legit, crazy, or trying to entrap me. She also is a bit like, oh, this is kind of weird. But by February 2013, she's taking them seriously.

Are outside the States. Yeah, that's right. Greenwald in Rio. Even though they're Americans. Yeah. She starts to get these emails every week from Snowden, normally at the weekends. And it's interesting. At one point, she writes, I don't know if you are legit, crazy, or trying to entrap me. She also is a bit like, oh, this is kind of weird. But by February 2013, she's taking them seriously.

Are outside the States. Yeah, that's right. Greenwald in Rio. Even though they're Americans. Yeah. She starts to get these emails every week from Snowden, normally at the weekends. And it's interesting. At one point, she writes, I don't know if you are legit, crazy, or trying to entrap me. She also is a bit like, oh, this is kind of weird. But by February 2013, she's taking them seriously.

Yeah. And so you can see why people are skeptical. So then time passes. I mean, you know, quite a lot of time passes. It must be kind of weird for Snowden, who's taken this risk, basically. He's reaching out to people and nothing is happening.

Yeah. And so you can see why people are skeptical. So then time passes. I mean, you know, quite a lot of time passes. It must be kind of weird for Snowden, who's taken this risk, basically. He's reaching out to people and nothing is happening.

Yeah. And so you can see why people are skeptical. So then time passes. I mean, you know, quite a lot of time passes. It must be kind of weird for Snowden, who's taken this risk, basically. He's reaching out to people and nothing is happening.

There is kind of this... Interesting parallel, you're right. But then in April, Laura Poitras is starting to take it seriously and she actually gets in touch with... Glenn Greenwald, and they meet up when they're both in New York. She says, take the battery out of your phone first. She says she's got emails from someone promising secret documents on surveillance.

There is kind of this... Interesting parallel, you're right. But then in April, Laura Poitras is starting to take it seriously and she actually gets in touch with... Glenn Greenwald, and they meet up when they're both in New York. She says, take the battery out of your phone first. She says she's got emails from someone promising secret documents on surveillance.

There is kind of this... Interesting parallel, you're right. But then in April, Laura Poitras is starting to take it seriously and she actually gets in touch with... Glenn Greenwald, and they meet up when they're both in New York. She says, take the battery out of your phone first. She says she's got emails from someone promising secret documents on surveillance.

She seems kind of nervous, unsure about it. They agree it seems serious, but they need the documents. They need some proof, which is, you know, typical. if you're a journalist, and Poitras does want to interview him. So they kind of part ways, go back to Berlin and Rio, unsure if they'll hear any more.

She seems kind of nervous, unsure about it. They agree it seems serious, but they need the documents. They need some proof, which is, you know, typical. if you're a journalist, and Poitras does want to interview him. So they kind of part ways, go back to Berlin and Rio, unsure if they'll hear any more.

She seems kind of nervous, unsure about it. They agree it seems serious, but they need the documents. They need some proof, which is, you know, typical. if you're a journalist, and Poitras does want to interview him. So they kind of part ways, go back to Berlin and Rio, unsure if they'll hear any more.

Mid-April, Poitras tells Greenwald to expect a delivery and a FedEx parcel arrives with instructions on how to use an encrypted chat. And meanwhile, Snowden is now starting to send out some of the files. And he sends her an encrypted file, which is about something called Prism. We'll come to what it is shortly.

Mid-April, Poitras tells Greenwald to expect a delivery and a FedEx parcel arrives with instructions on how to use an encrypted chat. And meanwhile, Snowden is now starting to send out some of the files. And he sends her an encrypted file, which is about something called Prism. We'll come to what it is shortly.