Gordon Duncan

Could you ever witness a Jock Wallace, Walter Smith or Graeme Soones getting out there to talk to people?

I do think, to be fair, I think modern fan culture has just changed and there's another debate there about ultra culture and that sort of thing is quite commonplace in the continent and so on.

So give them the benefit of the doubt there.

On the Tavernier one though, James, do you think, is this like...

How big a deal is this to you?

Does this add genuinely to the proper heat that's on Danny Rule at the moment?

I think he's actually put the final knee on his coffin now for me.

I think he has lost the dressing room.

I know you can hear that, but I do think that treating a Cobb legend, let's face it, he's in the Hall of Fame.

I think treating a player like that

and the way that he's done.

They wanted, obviously, him to come out.

Even if it was for 20 minutes, 25 minutes, at least give the guy the respect that he's due and earned over the years.

A lot of folk will come on and say, oh, he was this and he was that.

For me, guys, I'm going to say something here and now.

James feels very strongly.

He's disgusted by it.

We'll speak to Billy when we return.

Gordon DL is in the building alongside his old pal Marvin Bartley who's returned.

Billy's on the line.