Grace Beverley

Because you've gone from gardening to starting 19 companies and having some pretty whopping exits as well.

No, it's so true because I 100% agree.

I meet a lot of entrepreneurs who, don't get me wrong, far better at entrepreneurship than I am because they are looking at this big problem that's needed for a really niche tech space, B2B, like all of this.

And they think of an incredible solution and they build it and they are bringing it to market and they're going for that big exit.

I honestly...

do not think anything would make me more miserable.

Like that's not where I get fulfillment because if the end goal is where the fulfillment comes from, then I've never been fulfilled a day in my life because I've not exited a single business other than investments.

Like I'm not, you know, all of that.

I think that even what you say, I think that some people might listen to that and be like, okay, well, I don't have an amazing not-for-profit idea or an incredible social enterprise or whatever it might be.

But even on a micro level, like even...

none of my businesses are saving lives right when I talk to a Tala customer who's told me that they have never felt confident in their body until they've put our clothes on and walked out of that store feeling like a million bucks like that or someone who's been able to actually get their career on track through using the productivity method things like or actually being able to work as a creative full-time for the first time through retrograde like whatever it might be

Yeah.

You have to get fulfillment from somewhere.

And usually that comes with a little bit of friction.

Usually that comes with a bit of hard work.

And actually out the other end, that is when you feel great about things.

Thanks so much.

Yeah, no, I totally agree with that.

And I want to dive into that a little bit because I think that lots of people listening to this will go, okay, great.

I want to follow my dreams.