Graeme Souness

I'm surprised.

I don't know if Jamie would agree.

He didn't mention Paul Scholes.

I think you've got Paul Scholes and, you know, the Xavi and the Estar.

More Xavi.

But he's, in other ones you mentioned, he's up there as well for me, Paul Scholes.

Without a doubt, Scholesy.

Guys, we do agree.

Listen, we're on a football show.

You know, and we're talking about how football can influence the situation.

I mean, football is such a big part of culture in all countries, more or less, today, throughout the world.

You know, in Holland, most certainly, in the UK, most certainly.

So we have a small part to play.

But in trying to understand that, you know, from someone from my generation, I mean, I can only talk about what racism I've seen and witnessed.

And I've seen very little.

I mean, I, and I'm talking in the football context here, you're not in that football club.

When I go back over my time, of course, there wasn't so many black players playing at the highest level in England then.

And the ones who did, I can remember Clyde Best, I can remember him getting abuse from the small minority of village idiots on match day.

But me personally, in the dressing rooms I was in,

I didn't witness anything in a dressing room that would be called racist or a racism statement or anything remotely like that, because the players would have come down on it.