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Graeme Wood

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263 total appearances

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The David Frum Show
Watching War From the Strait of Hormuz

So there's that.

The David Frum Show
Watching War From the Strait of Hormuz

Also, though, if you talk to the Saudis, for example, I brought this up when I had an interview with the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman.

The David Frum Show
Watching War From the Strait of Hormuz

And I asked, at what point, if you feel disrespected by the United States, you turn to the Chinese.

The David Frum Show
Watching War From the Strait of Hormuz

And he very openly said, look, there's people in the East who are very happy for us to be disrespected by the United States.

The David Frum Show
Watching War From the Strait of Hormuz

And we're ready to turn toward them.

The David Frum Show
Watching War From the Strait of Hormuz

Now, there's many other Saudis who maybe in a moment of less impulse and peak would say, OK, well, that would be complicated to do.

The David Frum Show
Watching War From the Strait of Hormuz

It would be to turn away from the United States after the long, productive relationship we've had with them.

The David Frum Show
Watching War From the Strait of Hormuz

Would be like turning from 110 volts to 220 for the entire country where we've set up ourselves completely to work with the Americans and to change that to the Chinese would not be a minor step.

The David Frum Show
Watching War From the Strait of Hormuz

It would not be an overnight step.

The David Frum Show
Watching War From the Strait of Hormuz

So it wouldn't be that easy to do.

The David Frum Show
Watching War From the Strait of Hormuz

But all of those countries have developed strong relationships with China that I think are in a way protecting them already.

The David Frum Show
Watching War From the Strait of Hormuz

And of course, they'll probably see ways that it would be useful for them to hedge by doing

The David Frum Show
Watching War From the Strait of Hormuz

developing those connections too.

The David Frum Show
Watching War From the Strait of Hormuz

Yeah, that's correct.

The David Frum Show
Watching War From the Strait of Hormuz

There's one other important fact about Persian Gulf oil and Saudi oil in particular,

The David Frum Show
Watching War From the Strait of Hormuz

The Saudis have this magical ability to produce more or less oil whenever they wish.

The David Frum Show
Watching War From the Strait of Hormuz

This is something that other countries basically don't have.

The David Frum Show
Watching War From the Strait of Hormuz

So in that sense, they kind of operate as a sort of fed in the hydrocarbon business.

The David Frum Show
Watching War From the Strait of Hormuz

And so to take them offline, to remove that capability means that there's a very important economic lever that no longer is in American hands, Saudi hands, anyone's hands.

The David Frum Show
Watching War From the Strait of Hormuz

And having those levers at hand can be awfully important for world markets.