Greazy Will

is the Maverick, he's the young guy, and he's doing it different, he's very different, right?

All right, so the studio becomes his creative space, the studio becomes everything to him, he's using it as part, it's like the, it's really in these moments too, when he's making these Wallace Sound productions, it is basically Phil Spector and the studio is the musician.

He's bringing in randos from the parking lot to sing backgrounds.

There's layers of percussion and shit.

It was like, if you could keep a beat at all, it was like, cool, go in there and play this thing.

He would have multiple drums, all sorts of stuff going on in these productions.

The musicians were interchangeable.

The studio was important to him.

Gold Star Studios in Hollywood on Vine, which is no longer there by the record.

It was a shitty studio in the 1960s.

I got to break it here to say one of my favorite early in our friendship memories was coming to visit you at the studio you were working at in LA for the first time with Lenny and like cracking a six pack when you're like putting the finishing touches on something.

And you're like, you know, this is where they made pet sounds.

I was like, oh, this building.

You're like, no, like this room is the room.

Here, right here.

Yeah, which again, I mentioned this the first episode, but part of my love for this whole story is that this is all combined.

This story is all one story, which also includes Charles Manson.

I don't know if you know that.

Charles Manson's in this whole thing too.

And I actually have a little bit like, dang, I should pivot from this one.