Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast that this week is about Philem Spector.
I'm fairly certain that's not what his first name is. Here to correct me, Greasy Will. That's actually, I think his name was Philem. I have no reason to dispute that. That's legally the truth then. Yeah, absolutely. 100%. I do want to lead off with saying that I forgot last episode, but I did want to mention I have made a playlist of all of Phil Spector's music.
I thought that it would be very... Even though it's technically whenever you're doing this is educational, so you can use music for anything that you want when it's educational. But I thought it would be, you know, especially with the new... prestigious Netflix deal that you guys got. I didn't want you to have any, you know, copyright complications. Uh-oh, what are you building to?
No, I'm just saying, I just didn't want you guys to have any complications, you know? So instead of what I think is Phil's most seminal song, instead of playing that, I'll play you my interpretation of it. Thank you all for listening. I will be here all week.
The night we met I knew I, I found my show The kind that talks about every freak you know
The worst of mankind Eternity How can we go Behind, behind the bastards Say that you're screaming Behind, behind the bastards Can't stop letting you burn Behind, behind the bastards There's no monsters Behind, behind the bastards If I'm one of crime's cults and CEOs Where the weirdos history tried to leave untold. and the darkest jokes.
You'll laugh and cringe at every villain they expose. So can we go behind, behind the bastards, behind, behind the bastards, behind, behind the bastards, behind,
Behind, behind the bastards Behind, behind the bastards Behind, behind the bastards Behind, behind the bastards Behind, behind the bastards
That was beautiful. Will, that was genuinely one of the sweetest things.
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Chapter 2: What significant influence did Phil Spector have on The Beatles?
It was like their adoption of it was the thing that made that... I mean, that was iconic. My grandmother had one of those when I was a kid still, and it was like the 80s. It stayed on for 20-some years, how popular that was. So it's like their cultural relevance just cannot be understated in any way. They were incredibly important to the look of the early 60s.
So breaking into the professional music industry proved difficult for them. The Ronnys performed at clubs and talent contests, dance venues all throughout New York City, struggling to secure recording contracts or industry attention. Their persistence reflected both ambition and necessity. Because music was important to Ronnie. It was get rich or die trying on this.
She was 50 Cent and hard right now. Eventually, the group secured opportunities to perform at venues that exposed them to evolving pop and rhythm and blues scene of the 1960s New York. They performed at the Peppermint Lounge and other popular clubs. And again, Ronnie driving the way. They were starting to get, sorry, go ahead.
Just because this is, and Spector, and I know what's coming is like, based on just how he treats artists, like the replaceability of them, treating them just like another tool, and hearing a story like this that really drives home just like, no, to get anywhere close to people hearing you on the radio, you have to have been relentless about making this your life, like absolutely unhinged in your dedication to this career.
especially at this time. Right. Like, and it's a really good point. Like I cannot, the dedication cannot be understated. It's like at this point in order to get a record made, right. That costs a lot of money, you know, like for the time, you know, it'd be like a hundred or $200 or something like that to record a song at the studio. Like $200 is like a whole month's paycheck for people.
It's like, it's a crazy amount of money. Yes, it's a lot of money for a lot of people. And it's still kind of that way today. In fact, if you're interested in working with Greasy Will, you can find him at the Grease Factory at Greasy Will. Anyway, so it's very expensive. So even to just get something recorded is expensive. Then you have to get it to a DJ.
You have to get it on the radio because the
only way you will ever sell anything is if it's on the radio so you got to get it on the radio and then it has to build local support and then it has to build regional support and then it has to build you know it's like sometimes this is like a years-long process to get music to be heard so she's hustling she's like relentless and trying to get her stuff out there Absolutely. Absolutely.
She strongly believed that the right producer would eventually understand how to capture her voice authentically, and she continued performing relentlessly, touring, rehearsing, and refining her stage presence. She saw her career not as a sudden break waiting to happen, but something that she would build through persistence and emotional honesty. So, yes, that's exactly it. She worked.
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Chapter 3: How did Phil Spector's personal insecurities affect his relationships?
Like he was born in 39. So 24, he's 24.
Okay.
He would have these wild swings between like heavy love and then targeted insults. One night after a show, he flew into a rage after a cameraman compliments her and he loses his mind. Quote from Ronnie's book, quote, this was a big thing with Phil. If I lost control in front of a crowd, he hated it because that meant I was out of his control. And on top of everything else, you came in off key.
He could only ever criticize my singing for technical reasons because he knew I didn't read music. So I couldn't argue. Don't bother coming to the party after the show, he ordered. I don't want to see you there. I went straight back to my hotel room and cried. I suppose I could have gone to the party anyways but I never considered it. I just couldn't go against Phil's wishes in those days.
Phil couldn't control what I did once I got out on stage but that wasn't a problem he had in our personal life. So he is...
it's pretty early they're not married this is very early and he's already taking control the Beatles ask them to go on tour with the Ronettes and still told Ronnie not to do it you know and yeah why would you want to go on tour with the Beatles that's not not with those guys he's very that band's not going anywhere yes absolutely yeah yeah fuck those guys those random blokes from Liverpool or whatever yeah
No future. So following the incident where he was urinated on, Spector developed an intense obsession with personal protection. This is classic Phil, right? He began collecting firearms, frequently carrying them during studio sessions and public appearances. Over time, his guns become more than defensive tools. They become theatrical symbols of authority and intimidation.
Mm-hmm.
naturally right like this guy doesn't just he loves guns right he likes to scare people with guns a lot yes and he loves a snub nose he loves a 38 dude he just like that's a pocket gun like crazy it's really easy to just whip it out and wave it in people's faces you know that's the perfect Yeah. It's the perfect, and also, you can hit him with it. It's very heavy. You can hit him with it.
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Chapter 4: What role did Ronnie Bennett play in Phil Spector's life and career?
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Okay, I don't think that's true.
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Chapter 5: How did Phil Spector's wall of sound change music production?
But also... How do you go from being Sonny and Cher, like this whole, like they sang on Mamas and Papas songs and stuff. Yeah, they were. How do you do that and then become a Republican senator? You know, like.
He's a piece of shit.
That's like the ultimate betrayal of a human being. He wasn't nice to Cher. Yeah, Republican senator.
He wasn't nice to Cher.
A Republican sellout senator.
Fucker.
Yeah, amazing. And also the subject of one of my favorite M&M lines, Sonny Bono skis horses and hitting some trees. Oh! I love that. Great. So Ronnie develops a close relationship with Cher, who became one of the few people that Ronnie could confide in because she was also living... Very similar situation at this time.
Sonny and Cher is about as famous as Ike and Tina, about as famous as Ronnie and Phil. Ironic that they would all work together with Phil. Very strange. And it's really interesting, too, because in all of these situations, it shows that the men in these situations who are very dominant to their women also are all subservient to Phil. Sonny Bono bends over for Phil, like completely. Really?
Yes, absolutely. Interesting. Phil is the god at the time. Sonny Bono is nobody. He's a gopher. He's a runner at a studio. And Phil treats him like a runner at the studio. He is horrible to him. He treats him awfully. Side note, this is a really funny story. When Ronnie first met Cher, she thought she was a hooker. She, like, met this girl. She thought Cher was a hooker?
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