Greg Isenberg

Can and should.

Even if you have an agency or whatever or you want to hire an agency, you should start by doing this because you're going to dial it in yourself.

You're going to really understand yourself by doing this.

You're not expecting like a Super Bowl ad.

Yeah, that's right.

but you can ping pong your way to something that could have legs.

Looks good.

Yeah, 100%.

And now that I've seen the first version...

of that other version, the boring money version, like I can see like kind of how you just like made it better and made it better and made it better.

A hundred percent.

Yeah.

I'll, I'll include that in the show notes in the description for people to go and click that link, get started, get their hands dirty.

And, uh, you know, thank you for, for sharing some sauce, showing your workflow.

I definitely learned a few things today, so I know other people, uh, for sure have as well.

And, um,

Dude, I can't thank you enough.

And I'm curious what people think in the comments section and what we should have James back on, the boring marketer, next time.

So you're one of my favorite people to have on the podcast.

So thanks again for coming on.