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Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
What does Spain’s blackout mean for the future of clean energy?

And it started in the UK.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
What does Spain’s blackout mean for the future of clean energy?

And the UK has got a half-hourly electricity market.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
What does Spain’s blackout mean for the future of clean energy?

So every half-hour, the national price of electricity is set by the most expensive generator anywhere in the country that's needed to meet demand.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
What does Spain’s blackout mean for the future of clean energy?

Yeah.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
What does Spain’s blackout mean for the future of clean energy?

Well, it used to work very well when essentially you had coal power stations and maybe a few oil and gas, where the input cost was very similar between all of them.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
What does Spain’s blackout mean for the future of clean energy?

So they would all bid in a very, very similar price, which meant even though you were paying everyone the most expensive price, it wasn't that much more than the cheapest.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
What does Spain’s blackout mean for the future of clean energy?

Whereas in today's world, when you have renewable energy, there is no input cost.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
What does Spain’s blackout mean for the future of clean energy?

So you can achieve a very, very low price for energy from those units.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
What does Spain’s blackout mean for the future of clean energy?

But in a market where the price is still set by the final unit of generation, which will be gas, and has a very, very high input cost, typically in recent times, you're paying a fortune for stuff that should be cheap.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
What does Spain’s blackout mean for the future of clean energy?

That's the kind of broad issue.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
What does Spain’s blackout mean for the future of clean energy?

I think really getting your head around why the system used to work and now it doesn't is so key.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
What does Spain’s blackout mean for the future of clean energy?

And it's because there's much more heterogeneity, much more diversity of generation.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
What does Spain’s blackout mean for the future of clean energy?

than there ever used to be.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
What does Spain’s blackout mean for the future of clean energy?

Um, and by the way, it goes geographically as well.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
What does Spain’s blackout mean for the future of clean energy?

Cause you know, in the old days, you've got a coal power station in a particular county.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
What does Spain’s blackout mean for the future of clean energy?

Whenever you want electricity in that county, you fire it up.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
What does Spain’s blackout mean for the future of clean energy?

Whereas in today's world, it might be windy in one part of the country, not another.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
What does Spain’s blackout mean for the future of clean energy?

It might be sunny in one time in one part and so on.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
What does Spain’s blackout mean for the future of clean energy?

And we've got to handle that much more dynamic backend.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
What does Spain’s blackout mean for the future of clean energy?

But actually this thing was my mom, right?