Greg Jenner

So in the 1850s, with the book out, Sojourner Truth went on a book tour. Her name means traveling, so she's living up to her name. She's traveling. And she's fighting for women's rights as well as an abolitionist, which is a really important distinction. And she meets Michelle William Lloyd Garrison. She meets a British MP, George Thompson.

So there's an international movement here, which is interesting. Is she famous by this point? Is she renowned? Are people flocking to go and see her talk?

So there's an international movement here, which is interesting. Is she famous by this point? Is she renowned? Are people flocking to go and see her talk?

So she's funny, Desiree. And she's 5'11". She's got this deep, strong voice.

So she's funny, Desiree. And she's 5'11". She's got this deep, strong voice.

There we go. Now, I think we have to get to the most important speech that she is said to have given, which is, of course, the entire woman speech, Michelle. And this is an iconic speech. Does she say that? What do we know about the speech? Can you give us a potted history of it?

There we go. Now, I think we have to get to the most important speech that she is said to have given, which is, of course, the entire woman speech, Michelle. And this is an iconic speech. Does she say that? What do we know about the speech? Can you give us a potted history of it?

We'll talk more about it in the nuance window. I know, Michelle. But the thing that follows the speech soon after is the American Civil War. What did Sojourner Truth do in the Civil War?

We'll talk more about it in the nuance window. I know, Michelle. But the thing that follows the speech soon after is the American Civil War. What did Sojourner Truth do in the Civil War?

She met three presidents in her life, Desiree. She met Abraham Lincoln, but she also met Andrew Johnson and then Ulysses S. Grant as well. So she's, you know, she's moving in high circles. How do you think the meeting went with Abe Lincoln, Desiree? Well, have you ever...

She met three presidents in her life, Desiree. She met Abraham Lincoln, but she also met Andrew Johnson and then Ulysses S. Grant as well. So she's, you know, she's moving in high circles. How do you think the meeting went with Abe Lincoln, Desiree? Well, have you ever...

So you think she played Sojourner Truth or Dare with the president? She was, you know, a bit of a risky game. Yes, and he was like, dare. Dare, yeah. Michelle, I don't think we know how it went necessarily, but we get a sense perhaps that the person she was with felt that he was rude to her.

So you think she played Sojourner Truth or Dare with the president? She was, you know, a bit of a risky game. Yes, and he was like, dare. Dare, yeah. Michelle, I don't think we know how it went necessarily, but we get a sense perhaps that the person she was with felt that he was rude to her.

Yeah, I suppose for Sojourner Truth, her saying he was amenable to me, that works in her favor. So maybe she wants that meeting to be well received.

Yeah, I suppose for Sojourner Truth, her saying he was amenable to me, that works in her favor. So maybe she wants that meeting to be well received.

So like Douglas, Sojourner Truth used photography very carefully, very cleverly to sort of disseminate her image. But after the war, was she an important part of the conversations in the rebuilding of America, Michelle? Did Sojourner Truth get her due after the crisis had ended?

So like Douglas, Sojourner Truth used photography very carefully, very cleverly to sort of disseminate her image. But after the war, was she an important part of the conversations in the rebuilding of America, Michelle? Did Sojourner Truth get her due after the crisis had ended?

When you say land for African-Americans, are you saying that she wanted to create like reservations almost for people who'd been freed?

When you say land for African-Americans, are you saying that she wanted to create like reservations almost for people who'd been freed?

And so the end of her life, I mean, she's already elderly in her 70s. She lived into her 80s. But at the end of her life, how did her life end?