Greg Jenner

Right.

It's interesting to me that we talk about like drag or we talk about kind of people wearing different clothes than society might expect of them.

And it creates this uproar.

But I kind of do think, well, for a long, long time.

Yeah.

particularly wealthy, powerful people, have worn the most flamboyant things you can imagine, much more flamboyant than anything anybody would wear today.

Well, we did an episode on the history of high heel shoes, which were first invented for men.

Right, yes.

And so, yeah, the history of the gendering of that type of shoe is really interesting.

It goes back and forth, you know.

But let's talk about Philippe as the spare, right?

So he's the understudy, which is awkward enough, but I suppose he has to be ready.

Louis the King does feel he gets very, very unwell in 1658, and there is the possibility he's going to die.

So he does have a job, yeah.

Okay, so he can do sort of minor ruling duties, you know, a spare.

But obviously in 1661, King Louis has a son, which means Philippe's role as spare, immediately he's no longer needed, right?

Right.

He's now the understudy to the understudy.

Yeah.

So he's had the Uncle Gaston treatment.