Greg Jenner

So Catherine was born Caterina. Yeah. So your question, Shappi, about Catherine.

So Catherine was born Caterina. Yeah. So your question, Shappi, about Catherine.

Yes.

Yes.

And then saying you now need to move into that house.

And then saying you now need to move into that house.

They're into the second Florentine Republic. He's given this land that he has to go and fight for. He marries the French noble who is royal.

They're into the second Florentine Republic. He's given this land that he has to go and fight for. He marries the French noble who is royal.

I know.

I know.

So we can imagine that her childhood, Katerina's childhood, would be... Amazing. Amazing, luxurious, glamorous. Not the case, Estelle.

So we can imagine that her childhood, Katerina's childhood, would be... Amazing. Amazing, luxurious, glamorous. Not the case, Estelle.

They're not a very robust family, are they?

They're not a very robust family, are they?

Her great uncle, isn't it?

Her great uncle, isn't it?

Pope Clement VII.

Pope Clement VII.

So, how do you think the Pope, her uncle, Clement VII, secures her future? She's a young woman, she's 11, 12 years old. What do you think the Pope does to make sure she's got a backup plan?

So, how do you think the Pope, her uncle, Clement VII, secures her future? She's a young woman, she's 11, 12 years old. What do you think the Pope does to make sure she's got a backup plan?