Greg Lukianoff

They should keep it.

other side bad.

We should not have – we have to retrain society.

Of course, like it ends up being another – he was also a fan of Mao.

So it's not surprising that he – of course, the system would have to rely on some kind of totalitarian system.

But that was a laughable

position, you know, say 30, 40 years ago.

The idea that essentially, you know, free speech for me, not for thee, as the great, you know, free speech champion that Hentoff used to say, was something that you were supposed to be embarrassed by.

But I saw this when I was in law school in 97.

I saw this when I was interning at the ACLU in 99, that...

There was a slow motion train wreck coming that essentially there was these bad ideas from campus that had been taking on more and more steam of basically no free speech for my opponent.

We're actually becoming more and more accepted as – and partially because academia was becoming less and less viewpoint diverse.

I think that as my –

Co-author Jonathan Haidt points out that when you have low viewpoint diversity, people start thinking in a very kind of tribal way.

And if you don't have the respected dissenters, you don't have the people that you can point to that are like, hey, this is a smart person.

This is a smart, reasonable, decent person that I disagree with.

So I guess not everyone thinks alike on this issue.

You start getting much more kind of like only –

only bad people, only heretics, only blasphemers, only right-wingers can actually think in this way.

So one thing I want to be really clear about is the book takes on both right and left cancel culture.