Greg McKeown

How much do they want to understand?

And if they don't, if they're just here to judge or if they've already judged, I'm not interested.

I know from the testing.

And he said he found that they were all sharing it.

And when he listened and understood, they just keep going and keep telling.

He said by the end of an interrogation, he knew already very clearly, didn't take expertise, he felt.

Five places they've lied.

He wouldn't stop them all away.

Just keep letting him talk and talk.

But he could feel those shifts, those, let's say, little micro body glitches.

And so you just go back to them.

Okay, listen, I've heard your whole story, but there are these five moments that you've talked about this.

Let's go back and talk about each of these and what's really going on.

So Eric Maddox starts doing this and within nine months has the most complete picture of

of Saddam Hussein's network of anyone in the military in the world.

Nine months, compare that 11 years with finding Osama bin Laden, nine months.

Some of the prisoners were helping him now.

They were fully part of his leadership team.

in being able to put this network together.

And he's able to identify exactly where Saddam Hussein, on the last day that he is in duty, is where they identify exactly where he is.