Greg Raiz

Yeah, Jason Jacobs, Runkeeper.

So we work with them on the design development of that product, helped launch it, grew it to 20 to 40 million users.

And they raised a bunch of money.

They took the project in-house.

And so I'm super proud of the success that they've had.

Well, we expect them to take it in-house.

Like if we're successful, then they will take it in-house because, and we've seen this time and time again.

Again, we love our products that we build, but we also love to send them off to college and watch them grow and prosper and do their things as well.

So that's actually pretty typical.

It's definitely something that we've looked at.

It's not really a core part of our business.

We try to really align ourselves on the service side.

We do do some startup incubation and acceleration, but for most of our projects, it's not really a major component.

Well, it's funny that that was our very first iOS app.

So we definitely were learning how to do it.

And we were transparent about that.

We're like, look, we do a bunch of services, but iPhone stuff is something new for us.

So I think we charged like 15K early on and we've certainly sophisticated and matured.

But, you know, we don't really take on projects at that scale anymore.

They tend to be a little more sophisticated and larger now.