Gregg Braden

And everything you're talking about is part of a bigger picture.

So how deep you want to go?

No.

I think what you're talking about, power and control, lust and greed, there are individuals that have a propensity for those things that are going to fall into those roles very easily.

They're pawns.

They don't even know that they are supporting something much darker.

OK, so this will open the door to answering Sedonia and everything else that we've done.

So we're not we're not totally beating around the bush.

We're going to bring this all together.

I wasn't sure how deep you want to go with this, Joe.

And what I'll say is I'm going to acknowledge things we're talking about for a lot of people is a very different way of thinking.

And it certainly is different from what I was conditioned.

I was born and raised in northern Missouri, a rural community.

My first degree is in geology and computer science.

This is a very different way of thinking, and it's where the evidence is leading us.

What are most ancient and cherished texts, whether you're talking about religion or not religion?

They say that we are born into an ancient struggle that began long before we ever got here.

And for lack of a better term, and this is where words are powerful and they carry a lot of baggage, it's a struggle between good and evil.

We're born into this struggle between good and evil.

It's not a religious struggle.