Gregg Braden

When we talk about evil,

I think it's important to quantify what that evil is.

And to do that, we have to talk about who we are.

There's something inside of us, Joe, and this is where science is stuck.

This is where science and spirituality come together in a beautiful way.

And this is where language may fail me.

So I'm going to do my best.

There is something inside of us.

that is so rare and so precious and so ancient and sacred and powerful and beautiful that there are forces that have in history and are currently working to deny us access to this force.

The force is...

The reason for the ancient texts, the spiritual traditions, and there's two ways that we can have this conversation.

You can say we can do it from a biblical perspective and talk about angels and demons.

We could do it from a high-tech perspective.

and talk about an advanced civilization from another world in another time, and you're talking about the same thing, exactly the same conversation.

As to our origin, there was an intentional intervention that created us.

Biblical traditions are giving us one perspective,

The Mesopotamian texts are telling us that we are the product of the blood of a higher form of life.

And now the archaeological sites are revealing that what's reported in those Sumerian texts actually existed.

I was a member back in the 90s.

What specifically did they report in those, archaeologically?