Griffin Newman

And for the listener at home, David is touching the fabric.

That won't be fun for me.

Because two things.

In the years leading up to the pandemic, you started winding down your desire.

I shouldn't say desire.

Your tolerance for...

for covering anything that would require a flight.

That is not true.

I feel like in the early years of us being friends, you flew more for work.

We're launching a new tier on Patreon.

The Clonny Boy tier?

No ads, free Clonny.

um technically you're paying for the podcast the klonny is free it's like the dallas buyers club yes yes the are you but i know a lot about plane crashes because i'm an anxious flyer and i think a lot of anxious flyers do what i do which is sort of like well okay let me understand what went wrong and with a plane to understand that it's very unlikely you research it you talk about that you watch successful plane landing sometimes i haven't done that in a while tiktok was showing me those for a while you know

This is you thinking out loud, but there was some conversation we had like this off mic with a guest where they were interrogating you.

Not interrogating, but asking you about the plane thing, right?

And how high your level of anxiety was.

And you did say out loud, I don't know if I ever go on a plane again.

Fuck planes.

You did say.

I love going to places.