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Gwern Branwen

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

So I think for many creatures, it just doesn't pay to be intelligent because that's not actually adaptive.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

There are better ways to solve the problem than a general purpose intelligence.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

So in any kind of niche where it's like static or where intelligence will be super expensive or where you don't have much time because you're a short-lived organism, it's gonna be really hard to evolve a general purpose learning mechanism when you could instead evolve one that's just tailor-made to the specific problem that you encounter.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

So I think if I had to give an intellectual history of that for me, I think it would probably start in the mid-2000s when I was reading Moravec and Ray Kurzweil.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

At the time, they were making this kind of fundamental connectionist argument that if you had enough computing power, that that could result in discovering the neural network architecture that matches the human brain.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

And until that happens, until that amount of computing power is available, AI just seemed basically futile.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

Right.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

And to me, I think I found this argument very unlikely because it's very much a kind of build it and they will come view of progress, which I just didn't think was correct.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

I thought that it just seemed ludicrous to suggest that, you know, just because you'd have some like really big supercomputer out there which matches the human brain, then that would kind of just summon out of nonexistence the correct algorithm.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

Algorithms are really complex.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

They're hard.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

They require deep insight, or at least I thought they did.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

And it seemed like really difficult mathematics.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

You can't just like buy a bunch of computers and then expect to get this advanced AI out of it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

It just seemed like totally magical thinking.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

So I knew the argument, but I was super skeptical and I didn't pay too much attention.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

But then Shane Legg and some others were very big on this in the years following.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

And as part of my interest in transhumanism and less wrong and AI risk, I was paying close attention to Legg's blog posts in particular, where he's extrapolating kind of out the trend with updated numbers from Kurzweil and Moravec.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

And he's giving these kind of very precise predictions about how we're going to get the first generalist system around 2019.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

as Moore's Law keeps going, and that by 2025, we would have kind of humanish agents with generalist capabilities, and that by 2030, he said, we should have AGI.