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Gwern Branwen

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

And that made me really angry.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

I had to write all this stuff up.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

Someone was wrong on the Internet.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

I think for the most part, they were suffering from two issues.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

First, I think they hadn't really been paying attention to all of the scaling results before which were relevant.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

They hadn't really appreciated the fact that, for example, AlphaZero was discovered in part by DeepMind doing Bayesian optimization on hyperparameters and noticing that you could just get rid of more and more of the tree search and get better models.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

That was a critical insight, I think, which could only have been gained by having so much compute power that you could afford to train many, many versions and see the difference that that made.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

Similarly, I think those people kind of simply just didn't know about the Baidu paper on scaling laws from 2017, which showed that the scaling laws just keep going, going forever, practically.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

It should have been the most important paper of the year, but I think that a lot of people just didn't prioritize it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

It didn't have any immediate implication, and so it sort of just got forgotten.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

People were too busy discussing Transformers or AlphaZero or something at the time to really notice it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

So that was one issue.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

And I think another issue is that they shared the basic error that I was making about algorithms being more important than compute.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

This was in part, I think, due to a systematic falsification of the actual origins of ideas in the research literature.

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Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

Papers don't tell you where the ideas come from in a truthful manner, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

They just tell you a nice sounding story about how it was discovered.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

They don't tell you how it's actually discovered.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

And so even if you appreciate the role of trial and error and compute power in your own experiment as a researcher, you probably just think, oh, I got lucky that way.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

My experience is unrepresentative.

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Gwern Branwen - How an Anonymous Researcher Predicted AI's Trajectory

Over in the next lab, there they do things by the power of thought and deep insight.