Hahrie Han

You come once a week and you you learn about, you know, empathy and, you know, implicit racism and things like that. I thought it sounds a lot like a typical DEI program. And I'm not clear why it's being so effective at animating people into action in a way that we know from the data that most programs are not. And so that's part of what made me so curious about it.

You come once a week and you you learn about, you know, empathy and, you know, implicit racism and things like that. I thought it sounds a lot like a typical DEI program. And I'm not clear why it's being so effective at animating people into action in a way that we know from the data that most programs are not. And so that's part of what made me so curious about it.

And I think a lot of what I learned in the process is like, yes, it is a six week program. It does focus on things like implicit racism and, you know, empathy and a lot of the things that are not different from other kinds of programs. But there were core design elements of how they set up the program that I think made a real difference in the impact it was able to have.

And I think a lot of what I learned in the process is like, yes, it is a six week program. It does focus on things like implicit racism and, you know, empathy and a lot of the things that are not different from other kinds of programs. But there were core design elements of how they set up the program that I think made a real difference in the impact it was able to have.

Yeah. So, you know, there's so many stories like from the, so let me step back and say, when I was doing research on the book, you know, the people in Undivided were just incredibly generous and kind and kind of giving, you know, talking to me about the experience and letting me, I wasn't there from the very beginning, but letting me learn the history in cases when I hadn't been there.

Yeah. So, you know, there's so many stories like from the, so let me step back and say, when I was doing research on the book, you know, the people in Undivided were just incredibly generous and kind and kind of giving, you know, talking to me about the experience and letting me, I wasn't there from the very beginning, but letting me learn the history in cases when I hadn't been there.

And, um, to me, one of the things that didn't make it into the book, but was really interesting was some of the early conversations that they had about how to design the program.

And, um, to me, one of the things that didn't make it into the book, but was really interesting was some of the early conversations that they had about how to design the program.

And essentially what happened is that, you know, Chuck, who's this pastor gives this sermon, hundreds, thousands of people sort of reach out to him and all of a sudden he's like, okay, like I've got to figure out what to do. And so, you know, he's, he's a, he's a pastor at this huge mega church in the city. His boss, who's a white woman says, all right, well, let's assemble a team around you.

And essentially what happened is that, you know, Chuck, who's this pastor gives this sermon, hundreds, thousands of people sort of reach out to him and all of a sudden he's like, okay, like I've got to figure out what to do. And so, you know, he's, he's a, he's a pastor at this huge mega church in the city. His boss, who's a white woman says, all right, well, let's assemble a team around you.

And he, and So there's, you know, her name is Kathy. She's a white woman. She's part of the senior staff at a church. She has a background in U.S. banking. So she was an executive at this bank. And in her retirement, essentially decided she wanted, she was a person of faith, that she wanted to go work for her church. And so she became an employee of the church.

And he, and So there's, you know, her name is Kathy. She's a white woman. She's part of the senior staff at a church. She has a background in U.S. banking. So she was an executive at this bank. And in her retirement, essentially decided she wanted, she was a person of faith, that she wanted to go work for her church. And so she became an employee of the church.

And her job in banking was to run the branches of all of this, like, huge national bank, you know, in America. So now she essentially is, like, running church campuses, you know. So there's like a real kind of like business orientation to some of the work that they're doing. Chuck is a pastor.

And her job in banking was to run the branches of all of this, like, huge national bank, you know, in America. So now she essentially is, like, running church campuses, you know. So there's like a real kind of like business orientation to some of the work that they're doing. Chuck is a pastor.

There's another woman named Lynn Watts, who is a black woman that had been on staff at the church who had experience with DEI that was also pivotal in starting the program. But they decided to kind of build a coalition, a group of people around them from all throughout the city who had experience with that might be valuable.

There's another woman named Lynn Watts, who is a black woman that had been on staff at the church who had experience with DEI that was also pivotal in starting the program. But they decided to kind of build a coalition, a group of people around them from all throughout the city who had experience with that might be valuable.

So they brought in a woman who is the head of diversity programs at Children's Hospital in Cincinnati, which is a big entity in Cincinnati. They brought in a guy who was a faith-based community organizer, you know, so he kind of had background in the community organizing sector. And they brought in a guy who had some experience kind of

So they brought in a woman who is the head of diversity programs at Children's Hospital in Cincinnati, which is a big entity in Cincinnati. They brought in a guy who was a faith-based community organizer, you know, so he kind of had background in the community organizing sector. And they brought in a guy who had some experience kind of

with, you know, the research on neuroscience and kind of understanding, like, what makes our brains work. And so they had this really diverse group of decision makers around the table. Some people were black, some people were white, you know, who all had ties to different institutions in the city.

with, you know, the research on neuroscience and kind of understanding, like, what makes our brains work. And so they had this really diverse group of decision makers around the table. Some people were black, some people were white, you know, who all had ties to different institutions in the city.