Hahrie Han

And Undivided really focused on this question of how do we get you to become the kind of people who do what needs to be done? And then, and this is why the structural element I think really matters, how do we then create the scaffolding around you that you need to be able to sustain that kind of behavior over the long term?

And Undivided really focused on this question of how do we get you to become the kind of people who do what needs to be done? And then, and this is why the structural element I think really matters, how do we then create the scaffolding around you that you need to be able to sustain that kind of behavior over the long term?

And so the other piece about Undivided that I always pick as an important part of the story is that the Undivided program really is a six-week program. That's where it starts. But then they invite people into these things that they call on-ramps, which are sort of vehicles through which the activity can be continued.

And so the other piece about Undivided that I always pick as an important part of the story is that the Undivided program really is a six-week program. That's where it starts. But then they invite people into these things that they call on-ramps, which are sort of vehicles through which the activity can be continued.

And different people can choose different kind of on-ramps depending on what they have time for in their life and what they're interested in and and all the different kind of things. But the important piece of it was that people had a vehicle through which they could continue to negotiate the complexity of navigating the racial divide, you know?

And different people can choose different kind of on-ramps depending on what they have time for in their life and what they're interested in and and all the different kind of things. But the important piece of it was that people had a vehicle through which they could continue to negotiate the complexity of navigating the racial divide, you know?

And so it's not like they were like, here, we taught you all this stuff. Now we're going to drop you off, like go off and become, you know, a bridge builder in life, right? It sort of was like, it's really hard. And all of these people face backlash from their family, from their friends, from their church community. And they had to figure out how am I going to how do I make meaning of this?

And so it's not like they were like, here, we taught you all this stuff. Now we're going to drop you off, like go off and become, you know, a bridge builder in life, right? It sort of was like, it's really hard. And all of these people face backlash from their family, from their friends, from their church community. And they had to figure out how am I going to how do I make meaning of this?

What does this mean? You know, what do I believe? How is this consistent with my values or not? Like these are all really hard things to answer.

What does this mean? You know, what do I believe? How is this consistent with my values or not? Like these are all really hard things to answer.

Oh, completely. Yeah. It's totally, it's a, it's a difference between, yeah, it's a difference between kind of saying, you know, here, I'm going to make you a consumer of, you know, these, uh, scripts that I'm going to write for you, versus I'm going to make you a problem solver, right, who has the capacity to creatively solve these problems that are inevitably going to come your way.

Oh, completely. Yeah. It's totally, it's a, it's a difference between, yeah, it's a difference between kind of saying, you know, here, I'm going to make you a consumer of, you know, these, uh, scripts that I'm going to write for you, versus I'm going to make you a problem solver, right, who has the capacity to creatively solve these problems that are inevitably going to come your way.

Yeah, exactly. I mean, I think the assumption is that like, you know, we are all human and we are all, we all have certain prejudices and biases that we bring to the world. And because for those of us who grew up in America, very often that is racialized, right? Like it's just a fact of life in America in a way. And so I, you know, we're not going to take the humans that we wish we had.

Yeah, exactly. I mean, I think the assumption is that like, you know, we are all human and we are all, we all have certain prejudices and biases that we bring to the world. And because for those of us who grew up in America, very often that is racialized, right? Like it's just a fact of life in America in a way. And so I, you know, we're not going to take the humans that we wish we had.

And so we're going to take the humans that we have. Right. And then we're going to sort of say, like, even if that's true, I think there are a lot of people that kind of have this sense that, you know what, but the world that I want to live in is a world in which diversity and equity and inclusion is valued, but I don't really know what that means and how do I get there?

And so we're going to take the humans that we have. Right. And then we're going to sort of say, like, even if that's true, I think there are a lot of people that kind of have this sense that, you know what, but the world that I want to live in is a world in which diversity and equity and inclusion is valued, but I don't really know what that means and how do I get there?

And, and sometimes when I have questions, I'm not sure where to go. And when I take action, I feel like I'm all alone, you know? And so it's, it's, You know, if I look at some of the survey data that we have in Undivided, it's, you know, it's not like they were taking white supremacists and turning them into warriors for anti-racism.

And, and sometimes when I have questions, I'm not sure where to go. And when I take action, I feel like I'm all alone, you know? And so it's, it's, You know, if I look at some of the survey data that we have in Undivided, it's, you know, it's not like they were taking white supremacists and turning them into warriors for anti-racism.

But they instead were taking people who felt isolated and putting them into community. You know, taking people who felt confused and helping them make sense of that confusion. Exactly.

But they instead were taking people who felt isolated and putting them into community. You know, taking people who felt confused and helping them make sense of that confusion. Exactly.