Hahrie Han

but to be clear, like, you know, one of the core characters in the book is a white woman named Jess, who, you know, she grew up in a family where her dad literally had the words like white power tattooed on the back of his triceps.

but to be clear, like, you know, one of the core characters in the book is a white woman named Jess, who, you know, she grew up in a family where her dad literally had the words like white power tattooed on the back of his triceps.

And he taught her a kind of ideology of white supremacy explicitly, you know, as he was, as they were growing up and, you know, but then she was, became addicted to opioids in high school. She eventually was sent to prison in prison. She's in a multiracial environment. And she thinks, wait a minute, like,

And he taught her a kind of ideology of white supremacy explicitly, you know, as he was, as they were growing up and, you know, but then she was, became addicted to opioids in high school. She eventually was sent to prison in prison. She's in a multiracial environment. And she thinks, wait a minute, like,

you know, these women are not at all the way that my dad taught me to believe like what's going on here. And so that was enough to kind of begin to, to, um, have her have some, you know, ask questions that she hadn't really asked before. And then when she came out of prison, she found, um, crossroads and then she, found she had the opportunity to join Undivided.

you know, these women are not at all the way that my dad taught me to believe like what's going on here. And so that was enough to kind of begin to, to, um, have her have some, you know, ask questions that she hadn't really asked before. And then when she came out of prison, she found, um, crossroads and then she, found she had the opportunity to join Undivided.

And she's like, wait a minute, like all these questions that I had, like, here's something that might help me answer it.

And she's like, wait a minute, like all these questions that I had, like, here's something that might help me answer it.

And then, you know, she really, she didn't, you know, she, as she puts it, she's like, you know, my dad always told me that the last racist died with Martin Luther King, you know, and, and, you know, when she heard that that wasn't true at all, it just like blew her mind because she's hadn't been exposed to anything before.

And then, you know, she really, she didn't, you know, she, as she puts it, she's like, you know, my dad always told me that the last racist died with Martin Luther King, you know, and, and, you know, when she heard that that wasn't true at all, it just like blew her mind because she's hadn't been exposed to anything before.

Yes. So a couple of things. So it is true. Like they started, you know, this was a program that did take place in a church and they started every weekly session with biblical groundings that people could understand that this is this vision of racial solidarity is very grounded in their understanding of the Bible. And, you know, they are an evangelical church.

Yes. So a couple of things. So it is true. Like they started, you know, this was a program that did take place in a church and they started every weekly session with biblical groundings that people could understand that this is this vision of racial solidarity is very grounded in their understanding of the Bible. And, you know, they are an evangelical church.

So they take the Bible literally and, you know, all these different things. Okay, so that's all true. But another way to think about your question is, I think a lot of people kind of say like, oh, but what you're describing is not possible outside of the faith context. And I'm more skeptical there, you know. And the reason for that is, I think the ways in which I saw...

So they take the Bible literally and, you know, all these different things. Okay, so that's all true. But another way to think about your question is, I think a lot of people kind of say like, oh, but what you're describing is not possible outside of the faith context. And I'm more skeptical there, you know. And the reason for that is, I think the ways in which I saw...

the fact that it was a church make a difference had less to do with the fact that people all shared a faith in God and more to do with the fact that because they were part of the church, they were used to the importance of collective life. That they had had experience just by going to church and going to Crossroads every Sunday of like,

the fact that it was a church make a difference had less to do with the fact that people all shared a faith in God and more to do with the fact that because they were part of the church, they were used to the importance of collective life. That they had had experience just by going to church and going to Crossroads every Sunday of like,

It's kind of awesome when I have lots of other people around me that I enjoy being around. I get to see them once a week, and we all do this thing together, and we're invited to an annual women's retreat or an annual men's retreat or these different kinds of things. And so people had a kind of visceral understanding of the value of collective life. that I think helped carry Undivided forward.

It's kind of awesome when I have lots of other people around me that I enjoy being around. I get to see them once a week, and we all do this thing together, and we're invited to an annual women's retreat or an annual men's retreat or these different kinds of things. And so people had a kind of visceral understanding of the value of collective life. that I think helped carry Undivided forward.

And I think that was more powerful than the fact that what bound them together was faith in a spiritual being. And the reason why I make that distinction is only because

And I think that was more powerful than the fact that what bound them together was faith in a spiritual being. And the reason why I make that distinction is only because