Hahrie Han

So that's one way to think about it. The other way to think about it is that I think the principles of undivided can be scaled in a variety of different ways.

So that's one way to think about it. The other way to think about it is that I think the principles of undivided can be scaled in a variety of different ways.

And one of them is just that is thinking about this kind of fractal structure that we talked about, that so many of the political organizations that we have right now go directly from like the national organization to the individual organization. And it's like a one to many set of connections they're trying to make.

And one of them is just that is thinking about this kind of fractal structure that we talked about, that so many of the political organizations that we have right now go directly from like the national organization to the individual organization. And it's like a one to many set of connections they're trying to make.

But in a one to many set of connections like that, you can't have the deep impact that you want, the transformative impact that you want, you know, on that many people, right? You're necessarily limited by the number of people you can reach.

But in a one to many set of connections like that, you can't have the deep impact that you want, the transformative impact that you want, you know, on that many people, right? You're necessarily limited by the number of people you can reach.

But if you create a structure that kind of operates like this fractal, then you can knit lots of different units together because each of those units is a self-governing unit that can stand on its own. And so I think there are structural elements like that that help us think about scale in ways that are replicable outside of just the context of undivided.

But if you create a structure that kind of operates like this fractal, then you can knit lots of different units together because each of those units is a self-governing unit that can stand on its own. And so I think there are structural elements like that that help us think about scale in ways that are replicable outside of just the context of undivided.

And just to kind of loop it back to the earlier part of our conversation is when we were talking about the...

And just to kind of loop it back to the earlier part of our conversation is when we were talking about the...

um, some of the kind of, you know, lessons about democracy and what this means for democracy as a whole is, you know, if you accept the Madisonian premise that humans are not naturally born with the skills they need to make democracy, that we need these kinds of settings to sort of help us reach our quote unquote better angels, that a one to many structure is not going to give us the kind of experiences that we need to help us reach our better angels.

um, some of the kind of, you know, lessons about democracy and what this means for democracy as a whole is, you know, if you accept the Madisonian premise that humans are not naturally born with the skills they need to make democracy, that we need these kinds of settings to sort of help us reach our quote unquote better angels, that a one to many structure is not going to give us the kind of experiences that we need to help us reach our better angels.

We need some kind of fractals, um, set of experiences like that. And that's one of the things that we know through other data has really become less and less common in the structure of American civic life.

We need some kind of fractals, um, set of experiences like that. And that's one of the things that we know through other data has really become less and less common in the structure of American civic life.

Those kind of fractal experiences, you know, that like you tend to have a lot more organizations where you have a centralized staff that are trying to reach lots of people at scale because we have a technology now to do so. But but those kinds of experiences aren't creating the kinds of experiences that help us develop the capacities we need to actually make democracy work. Right.

Those kind of fractal experiences, you know, that like you tend to have a lot more organizations where you have a centralized staff that are trying to reach lots of people at scale because we have a technology now to do so. But but those kinds of experiences aren't creating the kinds of experiences that help us develop the capacities we need to actually make democracy work. Right.

So those are the kind of things where it's like we've gotten good at getting people to do a thing. We're not very good at getting people to become the kind of people who do. It needs to be done in a democratic context.

So those are the kind of things where it's like we've gotten good at getting people to do a thing. We're not very good at getting people to become the kind of people who do. It needs to be done in a democratic context.

To me, that's an open question. I'm actually really curious about that.

To me, that's an open question. I'm actually really curious about that.