Hahrie Han

My personal temperament is probably one that I find organic systems that grow up like that to be more interesting, but I don't actually know if I have seen any qualitative or quantitative data that makes me think, if you have a well-designed system that does come from the top down, that creates these self-governing fractals of activity, is there some

My personal temperament is probably one that I find organic systems that grow up like that to be more interesting, but I don't actually know if I have seen any qualitative or quantitative data that makes me think, if you have a well-designed system that does come from the top down, that creates these self-governing fractals of activity, is there some

ex-ante reason to expect that they would be less effective. I'm not sure.

ex-ante reason to expect that they would be less effective. I'm not sure.

Yes. I mean, I, so historically speaking, we haven't had a multiracial pluralistic democracy in the history of human, at scale, you know, in human history. So that is factually true, right? And so it is absolutely, I think, probably the challenge of 21st century democracies to figure out.

Yes. I mean, I, so historically speaking, we haven't had a multiracial pluralistic democracy in the history of human, at scale, you know, in human history. So that is factually true, right? And so it is absolutely, I think, probably the challenge of 21st century democracies to figure out.

And that's what's fracturing so many, it's one of the major things I think that's fracturing so many democracies around the world right now. And so, yeah, I think what I found hopeful about this is that the examples I had seen in the past of these kind of pluralistic communities were all operating at a much smaller scale. And this...

And that's what's fracturing so many, it's one of the major things I think that's fracturing so many democracies around the world right now. And so, yeah, I think what I found hopeful about this is that the examples I had seen in the past of these kind of pluralistic communities were all operating at a much smaller scale. And this...

this was operating at a much larger scale just because of the context of the megachurch that it was in. And I should be really clear, I don't mean to apply, and I hope I'm clear about this in the book, like I'm not saying it's perfect, you know, and it's not like they have some secret code that they've unlocked, but

this was operating at a much larger scale just because of the context of the megachurch that it was in. And I should be really clear, I don't mean to apply, and I hope I'm clear about this in the book, like I'm not saying it's perfect, you know, and it's not like they have some secret code that they've unlocked, but

The work is persisting and they're continuing to kind of like navigate and negotiate the complexity of it in a way that I think a lot of other programs tend to just give up or walk away from. And so the fact that it's persisting in that way and continuing to engage with complexity is, I think, part of what we need to be able to figure these questions out.

The work is persisting and they're continuing to kind of like navigate and negotiate the complexity of it in a way that I think a lot of other programs tend to just give up or walk away from. And so the fact that it's persisting in that way and continuing to engage with complexity is, I think, part of what we need to be able to figure these questions out.

Thank you.

Thank you.