Hallie Rubenhold

And the manufacturer and the people who sold the pyjamas said, look, this would have been there in the time when they were living there because this pattern was produced in 1908.

And he bought this, I think it was delivered in the winter of 1909 to his house.

So how the pyjama bottoms were still upstairs in his drawer and the pyjama top was...

people are free to find joy in whatever they decide they want to find joy in.

I wouldn't criticize what people enjoy.

That's very personal and it's very dependent on personal tastes.

I personally don't like true crime.

I find it really disturbing.

I have a

If it's historical, I'm fascinated because it is a snapshot of an era for me.

And all of the things that tells you about that moment in time, it's like gold for a historian.

What people were thinking, what they were wearing, what they were doing.

You get this really, really vivid picture of an era through a record of these terrible incidents that occurred.

And that to me is what grabs me.

And the question of why, what was going through people's heads when they did this and in the whole historical context for things.

And because I'm constantly trying to understand the past and people's very personal experiences living in another time.

That's what I do.

I'm a social historian.

And so this is such a direct through road into that.

And that's why I enjoy true crime in that context.