Hank Azaria

If even by the time Harry was criticizing it in 2014 or whatever, it was 25 years old?

No show lasts that long.

It should have been a character he was referring to as part of the past.

You know, like, this show was canceled five years ago and that character was great, but it was also effed up.

But it was still, it was a living relic, kind of.

So it got criticized in real time.

And I didn't know the end.

On the one hand, I didn't want to just kowtow to woke PC, whatever we called it at the time.

On the other hand, I didn't want to continue a harm if in fact it was.

I didn't know.

And then I started realizing that not knowing is itself a problem.

Like I never thought about that.

I like I never thought about it.

And so I did a for real listening tour.

I started...

asking people, going to seminars, going to, like, people's institutes.

What is racism in America, as far as you guys know?

I had never heard the 1619 version of American history.

I only knew the 1776 musical version pretty much.

So I had to get educated in all that.