Hank Green

I mean, so like really what we're looking at is like, okay, well, what about the way TV worked?

And do you think that... And the question is, did TV create higher-value content?

And the answer is yes.

It created content that more people spent more money on, made more money making.

There were more people involved in the creation.

There was a more robust economy, and now there is less.

And what we...

What we're looking at there is a little bit of, if you take away the gatekeepers, if you say anybody can create, everybody will, and they don't need as much money because they just want to make things, and they just want to get attention, and they just want to...

I feel like important in society.

And I watch this.

It's much more intense on TikTok where people come in and they're like, oh, I want is to be heard.

And that works for six months.

And then and then they're like, but I also need to pay rent.

And I've got a lot of there's a lot of parts of being heard that actually sucked.

Especially if you're not a white man, you're starting to get a lot of negative consequences to posting and putting your face out there.

And then you're like, well, I'd like something in exchange for all of this.

And you're trying to figure that out.

And then the two sort of paths that occur is either you figure out a way to make it work by diversifying across platforms and creating productizing, etc.

Make it a podcast is a big one.

And then...