Hannah Fry

It's, I realised that I had every flat I lived in since I moved back to London is within a two mile radius of the flat that, you know, my Camden flat was a five minute walk from my primary school.

And I realised initially, I was like, that's a weird coincidence.

Exactly.

Yeah.

And then I think you get to a point with like,

the specifics of the partner that you're with it just it just suddenly I look around at my life I'm like this is not a coincidence and I do I think I do it's spooky a bit but I do find it comforting and I think the only depth of analysis that I choose to have in that is not I'm marrying my father or I'm the the depth of analysis that I have is this felt so good growing up that I've obviously if that's just all it is it just felt so good that home it felt so good that I've

Of course, I have unconsciously tried to recreate what felt good.

It's so interesting.

You're right.

And birth order, you know, there's obviously that meme that's so popular at the moment of like, are you OK or are you the eldest daughter?

Right, right.

Same studies on that eldest daughter thing.

But I think there is something like when I hear about your childhood and the fact that you have three elder siblings and then your parents, that there were five people who were who could always talk about you.

Yeah.

And I think the need to feel, as you said, to feel like...

you have an independence and you have something that defines you away from this family of people who've already trodden these paths before you.

Yeah, yeah.

I could see why that would feel, that would be such a strong force within you.

Well, you know, I also think as well that I know you've already done an episode on this with a Ross apologist, with Imogen, but I think there's so much of Ross's more patriarchal, paternalistic qualities that when you dig a bit deeper, you can see is a part of growing up in an unbelievably traditional household.

And you can see why him being left for a woman feels like such a failure to him.