Hannah Rosen

So was COVID a moment when what was once a relatively fringe theory gained more mainstream acceptance? Like it just got folded into a resistance to lockdowns?

So now that some people who are sympathetic to the movement are in power, what are the kinds of things you think they could do?

So now that some people who are sympathetic to the movement are in power, what are the kinds of things you think they could do?

So now that some people who are sympathetic to the movement are in power, what are the kinds of things you think they could do?

When you say it's fragile, you're saying any amount of cultural pressure, political pressure could easily deter. There's no great incentive on the part of the pharmaceutical manufacturers to continue to innovate and create vaccines.

When you say it's fragile, you're saying any amount of cultural pressure, political pressure could easily deter. There's no great incentive on the part of the pharmaceutical manufacturers to continue to innovate and create vaccines.

When you say it's fragile, you're saying any amount of cultural pressure, political pressure could easily deter. There's no great incentive on the part of the pharmaceutical manufacturers to continue to innovate and create vaccines.

So for you, who's tracked this for a while, what's the worst case scenario?

So for you, who's tracked this for a while, what's the worst case scenario?

So for you, who's tracked this for a while, what's the worst case scenario?

So it sounds, from what you're saying, it seems like skepticism of government health agencies runs in waves. Like there are periods when there's high trust in public health. Right now we're in a period of pretty low trust post-COVID. When is public trust high? Like what is something that could turn this moment we're in now from extreme skepticism of government health agencies back into trust?

So it sounds, from what you're saying, it seems like skepticism of government health agencies runs in waves. Like there are periods when there's high trust in public health. Right now we're in a period of pretty low trust post-COVID. When is public trust high? Like what is something that could turn this moment we're in now from extreme skepticism of government health agencies back into trust?

So it sounds, from what you're saying, it seems like skepticism of government health agencies runs in waves. Like there are periods when there's high trust in public health. Right now we're in a period of pretty low trust post-COVID. When is public trust high? Like what is something that could turn this moment we're in now from extreme skepticism of government health agencies back into trust?

Right. So it's essentially what you're saying. It would have to be a tragedy.

Right. So it's essentially what you're saying. It would have to be a tragedy.

Right. So it's essentially what you're saying. It would have to be a tragedy.

Okay. Well, we won't look forward to that. But thank you. Thank you for explaining this all to us. And thank you for coming on the show.

Okay. Well, we won't look forward to that. But thank you. Thank you for explaining this all to us. And thank you for coming on the show.

Okay. Well, we won't look forward to that. But thank you. Thank you for explaining this all to us. And thank you for coming on the show.

I'm Hannah Rosen. Thank you for listening.