Hannah Rosen

Okay.

So this is a loose category.

The people you're primarily interested in are more entertainment forward, as you said, because they are likely to be more akin to the average voter who's not like politically obsessed, not like Tucker Carlson.

They're just like guys who are listening and then they pay attention to politics when it impacts them or like they see gas prices or something like that.

They're not like obsessed.

Okay.

Okay.

Got it.

So here is how I remember this love affair starting, is that Barron Trump, Trump's son, tells Trump, who primarily lives in 1980s media culture, that there are these podcasts and they're influential and he should go on them.

And then Trump does go on them.

And then that turns out to be a grand and successful move.

How's that as a summary?

Right.

OK, so just for the purposes of this conversation, maybe we'll just give them credit for helping to create an unexpected coalition around Trump, like not the usual MAGA Republican.

They kind of broaden the coalition.

Maybe we can at least say that because what we'll talk about is like, OK, so what now?

When did the cracks first start to show?

Because it was before Iran.

And what were they saying?

I'm torn here because on the one hand, it feels really naive to be like the politician didn't keep his promise.