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So that is a big assumption.

So that is a big assumption.

So that is a big assumption.

Okay, so if they can't get the data and they don't actually know the answer, what can be done about any of this?

Okay, so if they can't get the data and they don't actually know the answer, what can be done about any of this?

Okay, so if they can't get the data and they don't actually know the answer, what can be done about any of this?

So more like an informal counseling setup.

So more like an informal counseling setup.

So more like an informal counseling setup.

Jocelyn, thank you.

Jocelyn, thank you.

Jocelyn, thank you.

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This episode of Radio Atlantic was produced by Jocelyn Frank. It was edited by Claudina Bade. We had engineering support from Rob Smerciak, fact-checking by Steph Hayes, and Sam Fentress. Claudina Bade is the executive producer of Atlantic Audio, and Andrea Valdez is our managing editor.

This episode of Radio Atlantic was produced by Jocelyn Frank. It was edited by Claudina Bade. We had engineering support from Rob Smerciak, fact-checking by Steph Hayes, and Sam Fentress. Claudina Bade is the executive producer of Atlantic Audio, and Andrea Valdez is our managing editor.

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There are many, many other studies that affirm this. And instead of listening to... to this canard of epidemic denial, all you have to do is start reading a little science because the answer is very clear. And this is catastrophic for our country.

There are many, many other studies that affirm this. And instead of listening to... to this canard of epidemic denial, all you have to do is start reading a little science because the answer is very clear. And this is catastrophic for our country.