Harley Finkelstein

And actually I think it became obvious to Toby that like, I wasn't very happy.

I wasn't being my exothermic self.

And for someone that's always been exothermic, that's always been high energy in those sort of, at the end of my, of my, you know, COO stage, I didn't have it.

I just, I wasn't meeting merchants the same way that I, like I love meeting merchants, my favorite thing in the world.

I just, I wasn't,

It was clear I was in the wrong gear.

And it was Toby that identified it and said, there's this other thing.

We could find someone to be the chief operating officer.

And it was actually between myself and Kaz Sagan.

It was Toby Shannon who initially took it.

He was a great chief operating officer, chief COO as well.

Toby almost gave me the permission to say,

This other thing that you think is maybe not enough, it's totally enough.

This is super important.

And more importantly, you can be world-class at this thing.

And that was this like huge aha moment.

That was, it reminded me that, okay, the Venn diagram, but what I love doing, you know, like it's like the icky guy, almost perfectly described.

Like, what do you love?

What is the world value?

What can you get paid for?