Harrison Gardner

Yeah.

But I think people might be, this is, here's a crazy daydreamer thing to say, but I think people might be finally starting to get disillusioned with profit.

I think it's a shift because people are realizing that the trajectory that we are on is not good.

Yeah, yeah.

I guess you know your industry, you know your area that you work in.

And I, from my side, I believe in people, right?

And I believe in our ability to change and I believe in our ability to see problems and consider solutions if we're given the right tools to do it and then to implement those solutions.

And I think there's going to be a very big lag time because I think what happens in nature...

is long-term.

And for me, that's the biggest difference between the kind of work that you're doing and the kind of decisions that people are making every day.

We make decisions that affect our afternoon.

We make decisions that affect our next three months or our next year.

What you're talking about is making decisions that are going to affect us in two generations or three generations.

And that...

That is a huge shift for people to start making.

But I really do believe that there is a disillusionment about the trajectory that we're currently on, which is all about short-term thinking and short-term gain.

And people are starting to say, what's going to happen after this?

What's the next thing?

No one's talking about that yet.

Is it totally naive and ignorant?