Harry McGee

But there are questions in relation to disposal.

And the cost of purchase is only some of the cost because there's a social cost as well.

There's the cost of disposal.

So and that's a huge cost.

So that's a societal cost.

And that has to be taken into impact.

So I would agree with it.

But I just think the notion of sending 15 year olds into charity shop is just not on.

They're not going to go there.

I don't agree.

Harry, there's absolutely no clean solution.

I mean, the continuation of the triple lock is not a clean solution because the United Nations Security Council has been gridlocked for a decade or more.

And those who support the retention of the triple lock talk about the UN General Assembly.

The last time that mandated a peacekeeping mission was in 1956 during the Suez crisis.

So there hasn't been any since then.

And trying to go through

that process will be labyrinthine, will be complex and will be doomed to failure.

The model for the UN was devised after the Second World War and it's not fit for purpose anymore.

You have five superpowers, all of which are warring against each other, who are going to veto anything that goes against their interests and it's very difficult.

But the alternative is also difficult.