Harry Scott

Yeah, yeah.

And I think like that's the awesome thing that we're seeing lots pop up, especially in new like playground designs that in lots of parks we're seeing more of what we would call like Te Marahupara, which is like traditional Māori playground play sort of thing.

Lots of those features are getting thrown into playgrounds now.

So they're in that kind of slightly more sanitised environment of outdoor.

Yeah.

But kids are getting able to play along, you know, big log rounds and tree trunks and, you know, not everything's plastic smooth finish or metal poles or monkey bars or anything like that.

So it's kind of nice to see that lots of those features are popping up in parks as well.

Yeah, totally.

Yeah, yeah.

And so it's so cool to see that getting put in more and more.

And it is like those sensory experiences.

Like I've had...

11, 12-year-olds, so intermediate age kids, literally hands and knees crawling through the bush because they couldn't walk because the ground was too uneven for them.

So it was like they had to... So they didn't feel comfortable.

Yeah, they had to crawl the first 20 or 30 metres to get through where there was roots or a bit of slippery ground or whatever until eventually then there was some flat ground that they popped up on and continued on.

But that was...

They literally had to go back all those developmental stages back to crawling to get them through until they could.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

Yeah, yeah, it is.

Again, it goes back to that same thing of, like,