Harvey Mason Jr.

where it's coming from, what it's replicating or learning from and trying to simulate, it's going to be really dang hard to figure out where the money needs to go or how the money can flow. I'll tell you one story. I met with the head of the copyright office. She was an amazing woman.

where it's coming from, what it's replicating or learning from and trying to simulate, it's going to be really dang hard to figure out where the money needs to go or how the money can flow. I'll tell you one story. I met with the head of the copyright office. She was an amazing woman.

where it's coming from, what it's replicating or learning from and trying to simulate, it's going to be really dang hard to figure out where the money needs to go or how the money can flow. I'll tell you one story. I met with the head of the copyright office. She was an amazing woman.

She came to my studio actually and we started pulling up some of the generative AI platforms and I was showing her how it works. This is probably eight months ago. She hadn't really been exposed to a bunch of it and I typed in a few words And we made a track, a song. And I said, is that copyrightable? She says, no, it's not. It has to have human interaction or human involvement.

She came to my studio actually and we started pulling up some of the generative AI platforms and I was showing her how it works. This is probably eight months ago. She hadn't really been exposed to a bunch of it and I typed in a few words And we made a track, a song. And I said, is that copyrightable? She says, no, it's not. It has to have human interaction or human involvement.

She came to my studio actually and we started pulling up some of the generative AI platforms and I was showing her how it works. This is probably eight months ago. She hadn't really been exposed to a bunch of it and I typed in a few words And we made a track, a song. And I said, is that copyrightable? She says, no, it's not. It has to have human interaction or human involvement.

I said, well, I typed in the prompt. She's like, oh, Harvey, that's not enough. So I took the same track and I typed a response. I said, well, change the key, change the tempo, and change these three lyrics. Then I sent it back to the platform and sent back a new song. I said, now is that copyrightable? She says, no, it's getting closer, but I don't think it's enough. So I did another prompt.

I said, well, I typed in the prompt. She's like, oh, Harvey, that's not enough. So I took the same track and I typed a response. I said, well, change the key, change the tempo, and change these three lyrics. Then I sent it back to the platform and sent back a new song. I said, now is that copyrightable? She says, no, it's getting closer, but I don't think it's enough. So I did another prompt.

I said, well, I typed in the prompt. She's like, oh, Harvey, that's not enough. So I took the same track and I typed a response. I said, well, change the key, change the tempo, and change these three lyrics. Then I sent it back to the platform and sent back a new song. I said, now is that copyrightable? She says, no, it's getting closer, but I don't think it's enough. So I did another prompt.

So I did three rounds of prompts. It came back. It was a slightly different song. And she said, okay, I think that's right. I think that's human interaction. So none of this is figured out. The head of the copyright office, who I thought was amazing and incredible, and I love the fact that she was interested and cared enough to come to my studio.

So I did three rounds of prompts. It came back. It was a slightly different song. And she said, okay, I think that's right. I think that's human interaction. So none of this is figured out. The head of the copyright office, who I thought was amazing and incredible, and I love the fact that she was interested and cared enough to come to my studio.

So I did three rounds of prompts. It came back. It was a slightly different song. And she said, okay, I think that's right. I think that's human interaction. So none of this is figured out. The head of the copyright office, who I thought was amazing and incredible, and I love the fact that she was interested and cared enough to come to my studio.

But the fact that we don't have an understanding of how this moves forward and how we protect creators, whether that's the songwriters you mentioned or people that just had catalogs from 20 years ago, we're not going to have good, clean answers until we get those understandings.

But the fact that we don't have an understanding of how this moves forward and how we protect creators, whether that's the songwriters you mentioned or people that just had catalogs from 20 years ago, we're not going to have good, clean answers until we get those understandings.

But the fact that we don't have an understanding of how this moves forward and how we protect creators, whether that's the songwriters you mentioned or people that just had catalogs from 20 years ago, we're not going to have good, clean answers until we get those understandings.

The labels are going to have to sue the platforms. If we can advocate –

The labels are going to have to sue the platforms. If we can advocate –

The labels are going to have to sue the platforms. If we can advocate –

properly and loudly enough even within the tech platforms throughout the labels and publishers journalists podcasts hosts we can talk about this enough come to an understanding of how this needs to function as confusing as that might be we can start to manage some of it internally you know some same things happened when we started sampling other people's records we had a bunch of hit records that included other people's samples and that ran its course we kind of figured out how it needed to be treated and handled

properly and loudly enough even within the tech platforms throughout the labels and publishers journalists podcasts hosts we can talk about this enough come to an understanding of how this needs to function as confusing as that might be we can start to manage some of it internally you know some same things happened when we started sampling other people's records we had a bunch of hit records that included other people's samples and that ran its course we kind of figured out how it needed to be treated and handled