Heath Druzin

This parallel structure, parallel society, is trying to pave the way for a Christian America. And these guys are patient.

Yeah, in the view of the Christian nationalists I talk to, it's an extremely narrow view of what Christianity can be. It's a Protestant view of it. And even more than that, really, if you're outside of the sort of Calvinist Baptist umbrella, then they don't really consider you Christian.

Yeah, in the view of the Christian nationalists I talk to, it's an extremely narrow view of what Christianity can be. It's a Protestant view of it. And even more than that, really, if you're outside of the sort of Calvinist Baptist umbrella, then they don't really consider you Christian.

Yeah, in the view of the Christian nationalists I talk to, it's an extremely narrow view of what Christianity can be. It's a Protestant view of it. And even more than that, really, if you're outside of the sort of Calvinist Baptist umbrella, then they don't really consider you Christian.

So if you're Catholic, if you're Mormon, you're still in the out group in their very narrow view of what a Christian America would look like.

So if you're Catholic, if you're Mormon, you're still in the out group in their very narrow view of what a Christian America would look like.

So if you're Catholic, if you're Mormon, you're still in the out group in their very narrow view of what a Christian America would look like.

Yeah, it's a pretty white movement. And Doug Wilson, who leads Christchurch, he co-wrote a pamphlet called Southern Slavery As It Was, which very much whitewashed the evils of slavery and painted the Confederacy as the victims. So there's some serious baggage there. And there's some real infighting and a bit of a civil war going on within the Christian nationalism movement.

Yeah, it's a pretty white movement. And Doug Wilson, who leads Christchurch, he co-wrote a pamphlet called Southern Slavery As It Was, which very much whitewashed the evils of slavery and painted the Confederacy as the victims. So there's some serious baggage there. And there's some real infighting and a bit of a civil war going on within the Christian nationalism movement.

Yeah, it's a pretty white movement. And Doug Wilson, who leads Christchurch, he co-wrote a pamphlet called Southern Slavery As It Was, which very much whitewashed the evils of slavery and painted the Confederacy as the victims. So there's some serious baggage there. And there's some real infighting and a bit of a civil war going on within the Christian nationalism movement.

I've gone kind of down the rabbit hole and seen some people go to some dark places, mostly on the platform X, where there are elements of Christian nationalism who have really embraced anti-Semitism and racism. They've basically just, like, embraced alternative theories about the Holocaust and slavery. And then there's people...

I've gone kind of down the rabbit hole and seen some people go to some dark places, mostly on the platform X, where there are elements of Christian nationalism who have really embraced anti-Semitism and racism. They've basically just, like, embraced alternative theories about the Holocaust and slavery. And then there's people...

I've gone kind of down the rabbit hole and seen some people go to some dark places, mostly on the platform X, where there are elements of Christian nationalism who have really embraced anti-Semitism and racism. They've basically just, like, embraced alternative theories about the Holocaust and slavery. And then there's people...

It's a weird thing to say, but the moderate Christian nationalists... They're a little more moderate.

It's a weird thing to say, but the moderate Christian nationalists... They're a little more moderate.

It's a weird thing to say, but the moderate Christian nationalists... They're a little more moderate.

And they're pushing back like, whoa, whoa, whoa. We don't like being quote-unquote woke, but you guys are going too far and you're putting a stain on the movement. There is a big battle going on inside the movement between... The folks who see not being woke as actually being racist and the other people who are like, no, that's not what we're about. You guys need to get your head straight.

And they're pushing back like, whoa, whoa, whoa. We don't like being quote-unquote woke, but you guys are going too far and you're putting a stain on the movement. There is a big battle going on inside the movement between... The folks who see not being woke as actually being racist and the other people who are like, no, that's not what we're about. You guys need to get your head straight.

And they're pushing back like, whoa, whoa, whoa. We don't like being quote-unquote woke, but you guys are going too far and you're putting a stain on the movement. There is a big battle going on inside the movement between... The folks who see not being woke as actually being racist and the other people who are like, no, that's not what we're about. You guys need to get your head straight.

How far can they reach? The limitation they have is that their ideas are broadly unpopular in America. but they're gaining influence, and they're gaining influence at the top of power. To many, it seems as though the theocrats are now on the doorstep of power. You've got the architect of Project 2025, Russ Vogt, who's been tapped to lead the White House Budget Office again.